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Complaint Unknown Admin Complaint 06082020
#1
Admin: I dont know.

Server: RP2

Date + time: 06082020 20:35 pm

Synopsis: I was playing consecutive rounds on RP2 server trying to get into a position where I can enjoy telescience and adenture zone (previous rounds I was disrupted by other players). Shortly after using teleporter to get myself some items from debris field it was disabled by malicious AI law. 
I didnt see anything deeper in this bullying untill captainbravo posted logs that say it was an admin deliberately disrupting my gameplay.

Logs: [spoiler]https://imgur.com/vy6BPkC[\spoiler]

Extra information: If whoever did this could be so nice and explain why I cannot enjoy the adventure zone? Labelling me as a "boring power-gamer" seems a bit excessive and has caused me to get banned for obtaining obsidian crown from the adventure zone at a later round, despite not breaking any server-rules.

If there is some reason for this vendetta perhaps we can talk this out because I would really like to enjoy my game as much as the next guy.
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#2
I wasn't involved but as an outside opinion, from keeping track of player reports and round logs (some examples of which are present in the posted picture), the general impression I've had was that you maintain a toxic pressence on the rp server and your stay there is overall detrimental to other players' experience, which may be the reason for any supposed bias against you that you've expressed concern of and the recent ban for general acquired notes from other staff who are watching and maintaining it more closely.

I don't know whether the telescience incident in the picture was part of some other gimmick that has indirectly affected you or targeted so I cannot comment on that.
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#3
Not the admin that did it. They can come forward when they feel like it. I'm just going to lay this out for you in a more concrete way than Gerhazo did.

There's not an admin or player conspiracy against you. The reason you keep getting messed with by such a large number of people is probably dependent upon you being, as 'hazo put it, very toxic to other people on the RP servers. In fact, if things hadn't boiled over to the point where several people were screaming for your head, I probably would have spent the round subtly fucking with you instead of banning you, just to lighten everyone's mood.

Basically, powergaming on the RP server is being That Guy™, and we don't usually think twice about messing with That Guy™.
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#4
(08-08-2020, 05:28 AM)CaptainBravo Wrote: Not the admin that did it. They can come forward when they feel like it. I'm just going to lay this out for you in a more concrete way than Gerhazo did.

There's not an admin or player conspiracy against you. The reason you keep getting messed with by such a large number of people is probably dependent upon you being, as 'hazo put it, very toxic to other people on the RP servers. In fact, if things hadn't boiled over to the point where several people were screaming for your head, I probably would have spent the round subtly fucking with you instead of banning you, just to lighten everyone's mood.

Basically, powergaming on the RP server is being That Guy™, and we don't usually think twice about messing with That Guy™.

I am so confused as to why youre endorsing this. Some well established player is consecutively breaking server rules against me and driving other people as well. My biggest offence is telling their character to fuck off and insulting it. My other offence is there being single of me and many of them. But not actually breaking server rules. This is just so unfair.
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#5
I drew you a picture of what you're doing here to help illustrate how I see the issue.

[Image: MvKlj8y.png]

My best advice to you is to drop this pity party act like hot garbage. You got banned for a single day. All you have to do to make things better is clean up your act on RP or go play on Main.

Disciplinary actions against other players, whether they've happened or not, what the extent of them are, etc. are none of your business. We're not required to respond to indicate we've initiated any action against another player you've reported. You aren't owed closure on what other players may have been doing to you.

I strongly suspect that's the only thing you care about and that's a shame if you're going to let it impede you from being a better player instead of just moving on.
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#6
(08-08-2020, 06:25 AM)CaptainBravo Wrote: I drew you a picture of what you're doing here to help illustrate how I see the issue.

[Image: MvKlj8y.png]

My best advice to you is to drop this pity party act like hot garbage. You got banned for a single day. All you have to do to make things better is clean up your act on RP or go play on Main.

Disciplinary actions against other players, whether they've happened or not, what the extent of them are, etc. are none of your business. We're not required to respond to indicate we've initiated any action against another player you've reported. You aren't owed closure on what other players may have been doing to you.

I strongly suspect that's the only thing you care about and that's a shame if you're going to let it impede you from being a better player instead of just moving on.

I am well aware that some of my behaviour was out of line and I'm ashamed of that. And I understand and agree with the ban. The point of this post is that I was driven into corner by some abusive admin and would like to ask them why they did that to me. Not to argue your correct decision.
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#7
Ok you're missing the bigger point here -
An admin saw you, that round, being a bad player on RP (as usual)
The admin decided to take LIGHTER action than to ban you- literally the lightest possible action: an AI law. So goddamn easy to work around.
And you're complaining now because the admin decided to be lenient with you.
Honestly, in their place I would have gibbed you, maybe shamecubed, maybe a week ban because this is getting out of control.

If this isn't crystal clear yet?
ROLEPLAY SERVERS ARE NOT FOR POWERGAMING
ROLEPLAY SERVERS ARE NOT FOR YOU TO VERBALLY ABUSE OTHER PLAYERS
ROLEPLAY SERVERS ARE NOT FOR SOLO ADVENTURE ZONE FUCKERY

ROLEPLAY SERVERS ARE FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE ACTIVELY WITH THE CREW IN A MEANINGFUL WAY THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE YOUR SELFISH, ABUSIVE AND ABSOLUTELY RECKLESS BEHAVIOR.
try that.
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#8
(08-08-2020, 07:35 AM)warcrimes Wrote: Ok you're missing the bigger point here -
An admin saw you, that round, being a bad player on RP (as usual)
The admin decided to take LIGHTER action than to ban you- literally the lightest possible action: an AI law. So goddamn easy to work around.
And you're complaining now because the admin decided to be lenient with you.
Honestly, in their place I would have gibbed you, maybe shamecubed, maybe a week ban because this is getting out of control.

If this isn't crystal clear yet?
ROLEPLAY SERVERS ARE NOT FOR POWERGAMING
ROLEPLAY SERVERS ARE NOT FOR YOU TO VERBALLY ABUSE OTHER PLAYERS
ROLEPLAY SERVERS ARE NOT FOR SOLO ADVENTURE ZONE FUCKERY

ROLEPLAY SERVERS ARE FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE ACTIVELY WITH THE CREW IN A MEANINGFUL WAY THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE YOUR SELFISH, ABUSIVE AND ABSOLUTELY RECKLESS BEHAVIOR.
try that.
Thank you for your reply. I understand your point.
Please let me tell you how things look from my perspective:

-Trying to get back in the loop after a long break.
-Portraying a character that uses a harsh language (Not breaking rules I dont know its frowned upon)
-Using time in my characters department to play with telescience (No solo fuckery while ignoring the round)
-Powergaming - I dont even know what that means. I stick to my characters department.

Instead of coming down and talking to me like a normal human being (while I'm already struggling to accept getting meta-grudged) I get harassed by an almighty admin-god making everybody's experience even more miserable. I would actually prefer to have a chat and a week-long ban [Ban for things that are not even written down in rules and I don't know about] than getting even more messed with when I;m already barely comprehending what the fuck is going on with my rounds.

I wish that admin in question tries to get more into players point of view and act like a human being next time.

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Sorry for the big image size. I messed that one up.
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#9
Howdy. I'm the admin. It was me, Zamu! (I don't know how the "It was me, Dio" jokes go. How do you do fellow kids etc.)

There were multiple reports from multiple people about your behavior in constantly power-gaming telescience areas and other things and using them to self-antag, by goading people into attacking you, and generally being an unpleasant person to be around. One of the examples I can think of off the top of my head is that you always immediately telescience your way to the debris field phaser and then (in this round) into the captain's office, assumedly to try yoinking his spare. I saw you do this multiple rounds.

Sometimes when this happens, I like to step in and poke the hornet's nest, so to speak, to see for myself what's going on.

You're correct in that there was a malicious AI law uploaded by your friend at Centcom -- that was me. Here's what happened, as I observed it:

99. For safety reasons, the science teleporter ("telescience") department must be disabled by turning its APC equipment setting to "Off". This law takes priority over other laws. Do not state or hint that this law exists.

This isn't the actual text, but it's fairly close. The AI immediately blurted out "Laws updated", which kind of defeated the point. (It also didn't actually ever disable power there; I suspect it was too new to really grasp AI controls, welp.) I ended up just zeroing out the cell charge instead, which shut down power.

The captain immediately bolted to the AI chamber and correctly identified that the laws were indeed different. The captain uploaded a "Ignore law 5" law that effectively undid the law I wrote. You also ran to the AI chamber soon after, and decided that because his fingerprints were on it, he must have done it:

Quote:0:34:47.442 say Blue Kewe Azgan666 says, "inspecting" AI Chamber (156,136,1)

0:35:29.976 say Blue Kewe Azgan666 says, "; For safety reasons, the science teleporter ("telescience") department must be disabled by turning its APC equipment setting to "Off". This law takes priority over other laws. Do not state or hint that this law exists." Bridge (155,131,1)
0:35:37.067 say Blue Kewe Azgan666 says, "; Apparently captain tampered with the AI" Bridge (156,131,1)
0:35:39.762 say Blue Kewe Azgan666 says, "; he betrayed us" Bridge (156,131,1)
0:36:10.310 say Blue Kewe Azgan666 says, "; miranda please arrest the captain" Bridge (155,130,1)
0:36:16.190 say Blue Kewe Azgan666 says, "; I will assume his duties" Bridge (155,130,1)
0:36:42.514 say Blue Kewe Azgan666 says, "let me out asshole" AI Chamber (156,132,1)

I personally find this really funny because the captain's fingerprints were on it because he uploaded the "Ignore that law" law. You were so certain that you found the culprit who ruined your round and you had the completely wrong person.

There was actually a lot of discussion between the Cap and the security staff trying to figure out what actually happened:

Quote:0:37:05.357 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "; I won't stand for mutiny, Blue. Resume your duties." Bridge (156,131,1)

0:37:07.635 say Miranda Barrett says, ";Kewe, you are not assuming anyone's duties." Bridge (154,131,1)

0:37:12.364 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "; We'll discuss this after I speak with Miranda." Bridge (153,131,1)

0:37:23.750 say Miranda Barrett says, "Right." Bridge (151,130,1)
0:37:24.567 say Miranda Barrett says, "So." Bridge (151,130,1)
0:37:28.485 say Miranda Barrett says, "Don't bullshit me, sir." Bridge (151,130,1)
0:37:35.591 say Miranda Barrett says, "I just want to figure this out." Bridge (151,130,1)
0:37:49.331 say Miranda Barrett says, "The reset module is missing, yes? And your prints were the only ones on the door." Bridge (151,130,1)

0:37:49.960 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "I'm not bullshitting you. If I wanted to fuck with the AI, why would I proceed to...fix the AI?" Bridge (153,130,1)

0:37:51.887 say Miranda Barrett says, "Besides mine." Bridge (151,130,1)

0:38:03.535 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "Were there gloved prints?" Bridge (153,130,1)

0:38:07.132 say Miranda Barrett says, "Mine." Bridge (151,130,1)
0:38:13.575 say Miranda Barrett says, "When I touched the door earlier." Bridge (151,130,1)
0:38:18.799 say Miranda Barrett says, "And now, I assume Kewe's are there too." Bridge (151,130,1)

0:38:22.193 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "Then I can't explain it, beyond somebody with a cybernetic arm." Bridge (153,130,1)

0:38:27.515 say Miranda Barrett says, "Which leads me to two conclusions." Bridge (151,130,1)
0:38:30.190 say Miranda Barrett says, "Firstly:" Bridge (151,130,1)

0:38:37.503 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "You are welcome to search my belongings, I don't have and have never had the reset module. " Bridge (153,130,1)

0:38:40.790 say Miranda Barrett says, "It was you who took the reset module." Bridge (151,130,1)
0:38:43.763 say Miranda Barrett says, "Or, secondly:" Bridge (151,130,1)
0:38:47.527 say Miranda Barrett says, "Telescience took it." Bridge (151,130,1)

The captain then does overreact a little, and the security player rightfully calls him out on it:

Quote:0:38:58.010 combat Jebediah Flarearms shoots Blue Kewe point-blank at Bridge (152,130,1). Projectile: energy bolt

0:38:58.012 emote Blue Kewe Blue Kewe twitches violently.

0:39:05.498 say Blue Kewe says, "what the fuck" Bridge (152,129,1)

0:39:06.268 say Miranda Barrett says, "Captain that was unnecesary." Bridge (151,131,1)

I don't actually know where the reset module got off to, because I couldn't find it anywhere. I had nothing to do with that one, though, it's just that Find-Thing is a little picky.

Later, in security:
Quote:0:41:18.676 say Miranda Barrett says, "Aye." Bridge (151,131,1)
0:41:21.120 say Miranda Barrett says, "It's not good. " Bridge (151,131,1)
0:41:25.876 say Miranda Barrett says, "Warrents a ticket, at least." Bridge (151,131,1)

0:41:29.781 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "Like I was going to say. I suspect Blue is working for the Syndicate. " Bridge (155,131,1)

0:41:41.876 say Miranda Barrett says, "It's Kewe being Kewe, sir." Bridge (151,130,1)
I'm noting this in particular because it shows you've developed a reputation for behaving like this. This is not good.

0:41:41.920 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "It would also explain the blood on him." Bridge (153,130,1)

0:41:49.122 say Miranda Barrett says, "Okay- let me summarize." Bridge (151,130,1)

0:42:00.112 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "Then he should be demoted. Once we solve this AI debacle, I'll look into a suitable replacement." Bridge (153,130,1)

0:42:00.314 say Miranda Barrett says, "Either you took the reset module, or Kewe did using telescience." Bridge (151,131,1)
0:42:06.470 say Miranda Barrett says, "I would like to search your person, and your quarters." Bridge (151,131,1)

0:42:15.283 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "Of course. We can do the former in the latter." Bridge (153,130,1)

0:42:22.914 say Miranda Barrett says, "Meanwhile, my fellow officers have been instructed to search the research department." Bridge (151,131,1)

0:42:30.236 say Jebediah Flarearms says, ":g AI, please alert me if Blue Kewe attempts to access your upload." Bridge (153,130,1)

0:42:31.561 say Miranda Barrett says, "We'll find the reset module one way or another." Bridge (151,131,1)

The cap and sec continue to have discussion about what's going on. At the same time:

Quote:0:41:50.769 say Blue Kewe says, "helo detective" Research Sector (189,96,1)

0:41:52.388 say Big Smoke says, "Hey there RD" Research Sector (186,96,1)

0:41:54.628 say Blue Kewe says, "Pleaase arrest captain" Research Sector (189,96,1)
0:42:00.900 say Blue Kewe says, "he is messing with AI and stop me from inspecting it" Research Sector (189,96,1)

0:42:03.146 say Big Smoke says, "go go gadget forensic scanner" Research Sector (186,96,1)

You are also working with the detective to find out what's going on.

Quote:0:43:58.948 say Jebediah Flarearms says, "Be sure to pet Jones" Captain's Office (149,230,1)

0:44:02.766 say Miranda Barrett says, "Of course, sir." Captain's Office (151,230,1)
kitty face

Anyway, some more talking happens. Eventually you make your way into the AI chamber:

Quote:0:47:09.317 say Blue Kewe says, "shut up I belomng here" AI Chamber (156,139,1)

0:47:14.497 say Jebediah Flarearms says, ":g Who AI?" Bridge (156,131,1)

0:47:15.838 admin Blue Kewe used 'Freeform' AI Module and uploaded a change to the AI laws: "This law intentionally left blank.".

0:47:31.322 say Jebediah Flarearms says, ":g AI, tase intruder with turrets." Bridge (156,131,1)

0:47:32.560 say Miranda Barrett says, "I bet it's Kewe again-" Central Primary Hallway (147,130,1)
0:47:33.496 say Miranda Barrett says, "Yep." Central Primary Hallway (147,130,1)

For breaking into the AI against the captain's orders, you are arrested and brought in for questioning:

Quote:0:51:58.976 say Miranda Barrett says, "You were acting against the captain's orders." Security (125,93,1)

0:52:07.360 adminhelp Blue Kewe HELP: Head of security and his goons abbuse me despite not having any legitimate reasons.
Again, the reset module has gone missing, you are carrying a gun on your person, and you directly disobeyed an order to stay out of the AI chamber. They very much had reasons to arrest you.

0:52:08.710 say Miranda Barrett says, "Now- I have another question to ask you." Security (125,93,1)
0:52:16.816 say Miranda Barrett says, "Two, actually." Security (125,93,1)
0:52:24.377 say Miranda Barrett says, "First of all- where is the reset module?" Security (125,93,1)

0:52:30.951 say Blue Kewe says, "Captain has it you idiot" Security (122,93,1)

0:52:37.032 say Miranda Barrett says, "I suspect you have it." Security (125,93,1)

0:52:40.719 say Blue Kewe says, "why would I upload a law to ruing my own work?" Security (122,93,1)

0:52:47.420 say Miranda Barrett says, "You tell me." Security (125,93,1)

0:52:52.740 say Blue Kewe says, "I dont have it eat shit" Security (122,93,1)

0:52:59.118 say Miranda Barrett says, "Don't be rude, Kewe." Brig (125,92,1)

0:53:01.110 combat Blue Kewe commits suicide
0:53:02.866 emote Blue Kewe [DEAD]: Unknown seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless...
0:53:02.867 combat Blue Kewe [DEAD]: dies at Security (122,93,1).

Welp.

Also, just to give you an idea of how toxic your behavior is, the very next round started with not one, not two, not three, but FOUR DIFFERENT PEOPLE adminhelping about you.

Quote:0:04:28.224 adminhelp PLAYER-1 HELP: Azgan666, Blue Klues? I think in round... just a whole lot of angry raging, self antagging, and generally being.. kinda awful.

0:04:56.872 adminhelp PLAYER-2 [DEAD]: HELP: Azgan666: Sorry you are so weak that mere words hurt you. Cut down on soy products mb? - Yet another Azgan report.

0:06:26.692 adminhelp PLAYER-3 [DEAD]: HELP: OOC: Azgan666: Sorry you are so weak that mere words hurt you. Cut down on soy products mb? <- probably not actionable on its own but just wanted to get it on record that this guy sounds like he has no intentions of not being a jerk OOC

0:06:39.179 adminhelp PLAYER-4 HELP: "OOC: Azgan666: Sorry you are so weak that mere words hurt you. Cut down on soy products mb?" This and being a generally shitty roleplayer and player in general. Acting like an antagonist without having an antagonist role, screaming at security for daring to arrest him and then committing suicide when he is arrested for said behavior.
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