(06-19-2016, 08:38 PM)magic mountain Wrote: I'm just gonna go ahead and paste this IRC log because it really captures how I feel about this entire situation.
<drsingh> the issue in general is that "problem" people aren't usually problems at all
<drsingh> they're just people and a vast majority of them will happily cease to be a problem if given a chance
<drsingh> the problem is admins immediately writing people off as second class citizens for crossing certain lines
<drsingh> and ceasing to treat them respectfully
<drsingh> if admins just treated everyone with respect regardless of the circumstance
<drsingh> the truly shit people would continue to bury themselves
<drsingh> and the regular people would be treated respectfully
<drsingh> thats the goal we're all striving toward, i think
Whatever we end up with as the final literal wording of the rules I would hope it's in line with this. Oh, and also
<drsingh> it wouldn't be a bad thing to write up a guide for new admins
<drsingh> we've all pretty much just been dumped in the deep end and worked it out but a guide couldn't hurt
<drsingh> or like a mission statement
<drsingh> "treat players with respect regardless of their history or actions and try to guide everyone to playing constructively"
First chunk agreed 100%, second chunk being actively worked on
(06-19-2016, 08:46 PM)Grek Wrote: 1. A good solid rule.
2. The rule against slurs and the rule against banning for opinions should be split.
3. The rule against exploit discussion and the warning to listen to @ symbols should be split. Also it should explicitly note that @ = admin.
4. This rule and #8 are basically the same rule, except this one has a list of examples. They should probably be merged.
5. A good rule which should have a link to Synirc's rules.
6. This could be rephrased as, "Claiming that you were trolling, being ironic or a devil's advocate is not an excuse for breaking these rules. When you're told to stop doing something, we mean it."
7. The rule against NSFW should be split from the explanation that kicks = jokes.
8. How firm are you all on the warning people to take it out of the channel before banning thing?
Other things you might want rules about:
A: No chat speak.
B: No non-english conversations.
C: How to appeal your ban.
D: This isn't a suggestion, I just wanted you to know that I think a grumpy bee calling Literal Jesus a cunt is hilarious.
2 - not 100% sure I agree, since they're both variations on 'be respectful to other people' which is really the main body of the rule, the two clauses are just clarifications.
3 - Again, two clauses of the same rule. And yeah I'll sub out the strudel for 'admins, half-admins, owner, etc etc'
4 - 8 is more a 'mission statement' of the rules. It's a summary intended to express that the rules are intended not to limit discussion, but to allow it to happen in a way that most people can agree is useful and respectful. That said, I'll probably stick it as a header / preface to the rules.
5 - it does in the WIP form on the wiki, that didn't get captured when i copy/pasted it onto the forums.
6 - I don't like that. Look, most if not all of the channel population are an assortment of trolls, a certain amount of trolling is to be expected and often results in some hilarious discussions. I don't want to DISCOURAGE trolling, just make sure that people who do it do so with a slight amount of care.
7 - The 'no NWS stuff' isn't really a RULE because it's a verrrry fuzzy target. Rule 7 is more a 'here is the elevator speech on the channel's culture' thing.
8 - Honestly? Up to the admin reacting to it. I'm not going to codify that because it's such a nebulous idea that attempting to codify it will cause more problems (ruleslawyering) than it will solve.
A, B - Leaving this up to social pressure.
C - Working on that, probably a subforum of the regular ban appeal forum. I had actually thought of this!
CURRENT INCARNATION:
These rules are to set up a framework of basic human decency in the IRC channel and NOT to censor speech. Most of the time, if you cross the line you will simply be told to knock it off, and maybe kicked with a note to stop pushing it if you keep going. Bans will be reserved for only the worst cases.
1) NO IC IN OOC. Don't talk about the current round in IRC.
2) Be respectful of others. You will not be banned from the channel for expressing opinions, so long as you are able to express those opinions in a respectful fashion. Don't use slurs, racial or otherwise, even ironically. Don't attack people for their opinions.
3) Be respectful of the admins. An exhaustive list of every situation where an IRC channel operator, half-op, owner, founder, etc etc might be grumping at you is impossible and disingenuous, so if an admin is grumping at you and asking you to stop talking in a given fashion or about a given topic, knock it off. These rules are intended to be more of an overview than a complete list of statutes. Also, don't discuss exactly how to exploit game mechanics or get around our security systems - if you have a bug to report, there are other venues (link to bug reporting forum goes here). Basically don't teach people to cheat.
4) Be respectful of the channel. Some conversation topics (including but not limited to current politics, racial tensions, religious freedom) are extremely volatile and controversial by their very nature, so if an admin requests that a conversation not take place in the channel, take it elsewhere. You're always free to make a new channel or carry on the conversation in PM, we are neither interested nor able to police what goes on in PM or in other channels.
5) Be respectful of the IRC network. Basically don't break Synirc's rules (link to synirc's rules goes here). Come on.
6) Tread VERY CAREFULLY with trolling or 'devil's advocate' stuff. There's a fine line between 'making the conversation interesting or hilarious' and 'being a thundering butthead' and you generally only find out you've tripped over it when people are screaming at you.
7) Don't take things too seriously. Don't expect trigger warnings, don't assume every link is going to be safe for work / school / your immortal soul (though please don't post outright porn, and tagging NWS links is Strongly Encouraged), and we kick people all the time for shiggles. (You can rejoin immediately after.)
8) If you DO manage to get banned from IRC, (process and link to appropriate stuff goes here)
Goonhub
