Complaint Studenterhue, Captianbravo, Leeanie, Jantilles, and others; all servers; 8/14/21 9:33
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Admin: Studenterhue, Captianbravo, Leeanie, Jantilles, and all others involved.

Around four years ago, I tried to contribute to the wiki and created the wiki page for sec assistants. However, I did something only an idiot could do, and I accidentally posted a video with several slurs as the supplementary video. After being sploded, I’ve tried to explain the accident to the staff; there were factors not mentioned in my bans, but a proper discussion of the actual incident never occurred.

Server: Main, RP, Forums, Discord
Date + times: August 14, 2021 | 9:33 pm EST 
Synopsis: Important background information is required before describing the incident. Before the incident, I had a very rough history on Goonstation. Joining in June 2020, in around a year, I got 4 bans in total. The first ban was by Studenterhue for griefing as a ghost drone by spacing rooms, the second was for rampaging as antag and blowing up Medbay’s cryo pods, the third was for griefing/attacking security officers as assistant, and I think the fourth was for hoarding weapons/powergaming and turning the cargo lobby into an autonomous zone while arguing with staff about powergaming. In addition, I heard that my first ban appeal was placed in the worst ban appeals category, which included me saying, “Oh well, time to ban evade.” Needless to say, I was a horrendous player and this was something I knew at the time. 

Disclaimer: Considering everything I’ve just said, it’s obviously very hard to take anything I say after seriously. I just want to say, I tried to put in the work to put legitimacy back in my words. Since the ban, I’ve played and contributed to other servers. I haven’t had a ban in 3 years, gotten ban vouchers from Paradise and Beestation, and became one of the highest-ranking wiki contributors for Paradise Station. I got my vouch from Paradise on November 5th, 2023, and from Beestation on May 13th, 2025. All this just to retroactively prove that I was genuine in my intent to change while I was contributing to Goonstation’s wiki.

Now about the actual incident; on August 14th, 2021, I decided to write the wikipage for Sec Assistants. I knew of my tenuous position on the server and decided I should contribute for once. I played multiple rounds of Sec assistant to familiarize myself and asked questions on Discord to get the necessary information. As this was the first time I ever edited on a wiki, the end result wasn’t the best, but the entire process did require genuine effort. Creating an entire job guide from scratch with zero experience is hard, and overall, it took several hours to complete. 

Now, the actual issue occurred when I was finalizing the guide. In the end, I added a supplementary video with the initial creation of the wikipage. It was a movie clip I vaguely remembered from the Clint Eastwood movie “Dirty Harry”, which involved a detective getting a new partner. While editing, the two issues for me with adding the supplementary video were:
  1. I didn’t know the guidelines for supplementary videos, such as copyright-wise.
  2. More importantly, I vaguely remembered a mexican slur in the video.
Rather than just remove the video based on the Rule 4 violation, I didn’t think that far ahead. I decided to get an authority on wiki matters to review the video instead.

Something I never mentioned until now is the reason I never rewatched the video. The reason why I never mentioned this is because it’s somewhat revealing information. However, I feel it’s necessary to explain everything fully at this point. So, I hope some of you are familiar with young people who sometimes have to help out at their parent’s restaurant. I was one of those people. My parents didn’t like me wasting time on anything other than academics. During the Summer of 2021, I took online classes and was expected to focus on them full time. I would be taken to the restaurant and my laptop screen would be positioned directly in my parent’s sightline so they can always check on what I was doing. During this time, I usually played late at night or during a designated 2 hours. While I was creating the wikipage, my parents couldn’t discern wiki text from homework. However, watching Youtube movie clips was too incriminating. So aside from my carelessness, there was a reason I didn’t rewatch the video. It doesn’t justify not rewatching it, but it was the reason.

So, while covertly using Discord, I asked around for who to talk to about the Wiki and they directed me to Studenterhue. I DMed Studenterhue at 9:22 pm and continued editing the finished wikipage. At 9:33 pm, Studenterhue responded and removed the video themselves. I was making more edits when I noticed Studenterhue’s response and I asked if they wanted it taken down, not knowing it was already done. Soon after, I was banned from the forums, server, and Discord. Afterwards, I finally rewatched the video and found out one of the characters spouts out a list of slurs.

Reading the reasons for the bans, I don’t think staff knew the full context of the situation. The forum ban stated, “After discussing your “Please don’t put videos with several slurs…” ban with other admins, we’ve decided to hand a permaban. You’ve a history of breaking the rules, over and over, after being given chance after chance to reform. It’s time you part.” The issue is that if this involved my failure to reform, the factors surrounding the incident should’ve been mentioned. The fact is, I wrote a wiki page with a supplementary video, and then DMed an admin to review the video. In that context, can’t it be believed that the video was a mistake rather than an act of maliciousness? That my contribution to the wiki was an attempt to reform?

I believe staff may have interpreted my interaction with Studenterhue as malicious due to my past interactions with them. While that’s understandable, I believe not asking me about my true intent or allowing me to explain what happened was a shortcoming on the staff’s part. 

After the bans, I made a Reddit post on what happened. Leeanie and Jan.tilles posted on the thread, the latter being a mentor at the time, both focusing on my previous behavior. Later attempts at contact have been unsuccessful as well. I tried to contact staff through Discord after my Beestation vouch, where they said they had no intention of contact. I tried to explain everything through Discord anyway, but that was shut down as well. I also made a ban appeal, which hasn’t had a response in over a month. 

Ultimately, I think the final straw matters. I shouldn’t have posted the video without rewatching it. However, if someone actually tried to contribute to the wiki and screwed up without knowing it, going so far as to ask an admin for review, only to get banned from everything with no recourse, there has to be something wrong.

Chatlogs: It should be noted that the wiki’s time seems to be +4 hours EST, which my Discord operates at.

Extra info: Honestly, I just want this issue addressed. 4 years ago on the Reddit post I made, I said I would exhaust all options to have my case properly looked at, this seems like the logical conclusion.
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#2
nah, dawg

the time to move on was four years ago
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#3
No, and don't include mentors in feedbacks for any reason, even if your reason is "they became an admin".
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#4
Just to be clear (for you, and for anyone else looking at this thread), we never have, in the entire history of the server, nor do we currently, accept vouches from other servers.
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(07-06-2025, 11:48 AM)ZeWaka Wrote: Just to be clear (for you, and for anyone else looking at this thread), we never have, in the entire history of the server, nor do we currently, accept vouches from other servers.

Yes, I was informed that Goonstation does not accept ban vouchers ever since my first vouch from Paradise Station. The reason I brought it up is to retroactively prove my intent to contribute to the wiki was genuine, proven by being a better player and contributor on other servers. I think I should have better emphasized that point. On Paradise Station's Wiki, I am one of the top contributors and have 371 edits.
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Again, I just wish some sort of internal review could happen. When staff was making the decision to ban me, did they know I made the wikipage? Did they know I asked someone to review it on Discord? Does that make a difference? I have been banned for 4 years, I have tried to put the work in to prove my good intentions, I hope you all can understand I am approaching this in good faith and consider my proposal. Please.

(07-06-2025, 11:35 AM)Leeanei Wrote: No, and don't include mentors in feedbacks for any reason, even if your reason is "they became an admin".

Sorry, I probably should've added something when I mentioned Jant.illes. Shortly after my ban vouch from Beestation, I was misinformed about staff's willingness to get in contact with me. Before I reached out via Discord, I reached out to Jan.tilles on Reddit on May 13th. There was no response. Not mentioning previous discussions would've been leaving out context to this interaction when they were an admin. I think I DMed you in desparation when I made my reddit thread 4 years ago too. So, sorry for forgetting to mention these things.


Now, I understand you said no, but I was just hoping most or even just one person involved, could review this incident. The forum ban said that the decision was made with discussion from others, so I believe there must be chatlogs. If some sort of internal review could be done, cross referencing what happened, I'd be grateful.
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(07-13-2025, 10:38 AM)Absents Wrote: Before I reached out via Discord...

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(07-13-2025, 10:38 AM)Absents Wrote: Sorry, I probably should've added something when I mentioned Jant.illes. Shortly after my ban vouch from Beestation, I was misinformed about staff's willingness to get in contact with me. Before I reached out via Discord, I reached out to Jan.tilles on Reddit on May 13th. There was no response.

In case it wasn't obvious from looking at my reddit account, I haven't used it in years, and never used it for handling administration issues. If I had used it for that purpose, I would have said the same thing I said when I replied to your thread as a fellow player: please just move on.
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(07-13-2025, 11:14 AM)ZeWaka Wrote:
(07-13-2025, 10:38 AM)Absents Wrote: Before I reached out via Discord...

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I hope my synopsis of events was read. I'm sorry but again, I'm banned from everything. I did not have the proper channels or guidelines to contact staff. I know that I shouldn't pm or ping admins; I asked in both my pm to Jan.tilles and my Discord ticket, via medical assistant, for the proper guidelines to contact staff further. Which I only sent because I was misinformed of staff's willingness to contact me after my vouch from Beestation.
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A major topic of my complaint is how I was blocked from conventional avenues to contacting staff. Criticising my attempts to reach out via ban vouchers or Discord is ultimately just a criticism for me trying at all. Now that's understandable, but the entire point of my original post was to try and explain my position. 

So, to reiterate, I screwed up while trying to contribute to the wiki and was banned from everything for failing to reform into a better player. Being blocked from conventional ways to contact staff, I tried everything like ban vouchers, Discord, and Reddit. Now, after all those attempts have failed, I am here. I just wish my case is looked into, did staff know I made the wikipage? Did they know I asked someone to review it on Discord? Does that make a difference? Please.

(07-13-2025, 11:22 AM)jan.antilles Wrote:
(07-13-2025, 10:38 AM)Absents Wrote: Sorry, I probably should've added something when I mentioned Jant.illes. Shortly after my ban vouch from Beestation, I was misinformed about staff's willingness to get in contact with me. Before I reached out via Discord, I reached out to Jan.tilles on Reddit on May 13th. There was no response.

In case it wasn't obvious from looking at my reddit account, I haven't used it in years, and never used it for handling administration issues. If I had used it for that purpose, I would have said the same thing I said when I replied to your thread as a fellow player: please just move on.

I'm hesitant to elaborate on what Jant.illes said when they were a mentor due to warnings from leeanie. However, I believe it's important to contextualize the reply Jant.illes brought up. In their reply telling me to move on, they said they believed I didn't post the video maliciously, the ban was mainly about my past behavior, and to go play on other servers. Granted, they mentioned servers that had more lax bigotry or powergaming rules, which I didn't go to. Paradise and Beestation have very similar rules on these topics; I played and contributed to these servers, and now their vouches are part of this complaint thread. A complaint thread where I'm addressing my past behavior and the intention behind my screw up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/p...are_button

Just to be clear, the only reason I bring this up is to state that despite all the statements stating that I should let this go, there are statements that create doubt on my treatment. Please, if any staff involved have this doubt, I just want some sort of internal review.
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#9
Sorry, there's not going to be any sort of internal review other than a brief chat when your post went up. Admin chats also happened after those unsolicited vouches from other servers, whose own staff also were very confused and put off by that approach at bypassing your forum ban.

It's been discussed a bunch of times, the consensus looks to have always been "no" and "stop."

Most of the team have already read this post too. You've been heard, but it's not going to change the outcome.
There's no need to further elaborate, and if all communications methods have been blocked to you, this doesn't mean you *have* to find alternate options to prove your case. This means our volunteers don't want to hear from you again.
This isn't court. Sometimes decisions are Vibes-Based following overall patterns of behavior. The apprehension many staff members have about unbanning you isn't specific to the wiki video issue.

The only option available to you is to play somewhere else. Sorry bud.
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