Goonhub
08-21-2016, 08:51 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-21-2016, 08:55 PM by Nnystyxx. Edited 4 times in total.)
yeah there really isn't much Stupid Assistant Brigading on 2 because you get nutsed if you're shit to people, you can get churned out into a ban very quickly
certain antagonists will absolutely skullfuck you though and there's really nothing most of the crew can DO (read: wizards, nuke ops as mordent mentioned)
limiting factors include difficulty, risk of being arrested, etc. but i've learned in nuke ops to just fucking give up against the ops because NOTHING i do will do any harm to them whatsoever (short of like, space lubing everything and knowing the ancient button presses/hotkeys to avoid instantly getting hit and owned) and the spackershit and whatnot will just evaporate me immediately
and besides if people ARE stupid idiots with it, security does exist to police them as well aside from the actual antagonists
if certain antagonists so much as see you, you're dead, and those antagonists leave you with no realistic way of retaliating; hell sometimes a guy just decides to cave your head in
think about this metric for a second
antagonist: has power, always. probably has better stuff than the crew, supposed to slaughter everyone (if he wants)
unarmed crewman: weaker than antagonist, no chance, worse stuff than antagonist, not supposed to slaughter everyone, just defend himself
armed crewman: vague chance, still weaker, worse stuff than antagonist, STILL not supposed to slaughter everyone
same with security, they're always going to be generally better armed than anyone else and only robust tactics or numbers could obviously overwhelm them (no one greytides anymore by the way)
a nukie or traitor wouldn't become more unbalanced since this would be a DOWNGRADE for them, not altering their skill floor as it were, but it makes it possible for crewmen to actually contribute something other than dying like lemmings without having to be a meth-addled slip-jockey with the reaction times of a length of fucking fiber optic cable against people who can nigh instacrit/easily stun them
edit: from an rp perspective, too, people can have some means of arming themselves/organizing revolution without pipe bombs and flames permanently fucking up the station and not requiring mechanics to shit out 9999 eguns
is it such a dirty word for people to have literally any way to succeed in combat other than flash spamming
it just feels to me any sort of player agency or leg up is being argued against through the hypothetical of shitcan players that would still get banned if they were even using the garbage tool weapons that are being enshrined as the end all for a regular crewman
we have administration, it's not like we're giving nukes to people who will use them, there are limits to behavior
EDIT 2: ALSO it'd be nice for the #sol peeps to be able to make some weapons (they're scientists and engineers after all usually) without bugging security/cargo for phasers and eguns all round (everyone hates that, after all, why not curb it somewhat)
EDIT 3 OH BOY: ALSO A FLAMETHROWER OR ZIP GUN (WHICH EXPLODES VIOLENTLY) WOULD PROBABLY GET YOU AHELPED AS A NORMAL CREWMAN
certain antagonists will absolutely skullfuck you though and there's really nothing most of the crew can DO (read: wizards, nuke ops as mordent mentioned)
limiting factors include difficulty, risk of being arrested, etc. but i've learned in nuke ops to just fucking give up against the ops because NOTHING i do will do any harm to them whatsoever (short of like, space lubing everything and knowing the ancient button presses/hotkeys to avoid instantly getting hit and owned) and the spackershit and whatnot will just evaporate me immediately
and besides if people ARE stupid idiots with it, security does exist to police them as well aside from the actual antagonists
if certain antagonists so much as see you, you're dead, and those antagonists leave you with no realistic way of retaliating; hell sometimes a guy just decides to cave your head in
think about this metric for a second
antagonist: has power, always. probably has better stuff than the crew, supposed to slaughter everyone (if he wants)
unarmed crewman: weaker than antagonist, no chance, worse stuff than antagonist, not supposed to slaughter everyone, just defend himself
armed crewman: vague chance, still weaker, worse stuff than antagonist, STILL not supposed to slaughter everyone
same with security, they're always going to be generally better armed than anyone else and only robust tactics or numbers could obviously overwhelm them (no one greytides anymore by the way)
a nukie or traitor wouldn't become more unbalanced since this would be a DOWNGRADE for them, not altering their skill floor as it were, but it makes it possible for crewmen to actually contribute something other than dying like lemmings without having to be a meth-addled slip-jockey with the reaction times of a length of fucking fiber optic cable against people who can nigh instacrit/easily stun them
edit: from an rp perspective, too, people can have some means of arming themselves/organizing revolution without pipe bombs and flames permanently fucking up the station and not requiring mechanics to shit out 9999 eguns
is it such a dirty word for people to have literally any way to succeed in combat other than flash spamming
it just feels to me any sort of player agency or leg up is being argued against through the hypothetical of shitcan players that would still get banned if they were even using the garbage tool weapons that are being enshrined as the end all for a regular crewman
we have administration, it's not like we're giving nukes to people who will use them, there are limits to behavior
EDIT 2: ALSO it'd be nice for the #sol peeps to be able to make some weapons (they're scientists and engineers after all usually) without bugging security/cargo for phasers and eguns all round (everyone hates that, after all, why not curb it somewhat)
EDIT 3 OH BOY: ALSO A FLAMETHROWER OR ZIP GUN (WHICH EXPLODES VIOLENTLY) WOULD PROBABLY GET YOU AHELPED AS A NORMAL CREWMAN