Makeshift weapons

[Vuk Farkas]

Forgot to add tho who state "security has enough shit to deal with already" are probably security players... but lets face it i played as detective and was replacing security completely many times... and guess what? 90% of the time it was a troublemaker raiding security, detectives office, bar, QM and such they didnt have even a friggin flaregun or flamethrower! Heck almoust every one of them used toolboxes and such already awailable tool! Or weapons they obtained from said offices! Rarely someone would raid the artifacts lab and abuse artifacts (darkness artifacts, and once i had a clown using some sonic stun artifact that stuns the user and everyone in 5 tile radius). I am yet to see anyone making a single fuckin makeshift weapon... i didnt see even poisoned scalpels! The worst case of alternate uses i saw was medics using some meds from the vending machines! they didnt even bother brewing somethin!!!

I rarely play security because it's either boring as anything or ridiculous; in general I have an idea of the level of involvement I want in a given round, security does not give me that flexibility. As far as I can tell you mostly play on LLJK1, and have not given consideration in your post to just how much more chaos this would cause on LLJK2 (which uses the same code).

Additionally, what you stated about them not having a flaregun or flamethrower just backs up my point that the standard tools available are sufficient in most cases for those just being greytiding shits rather than actual antagonists. LLJK1 players who are not antags, in general, do not powergame. For example, I notice you as detective go and put on a welding mask and fire suit and carry a toolbox most rounds - there's not really a reason for a detective to do that (especially until shit hits the fan), yet you do it anyway. If I'm carrying some sort of firearm, or poisoned scalpel, or whatever else counts as a weapon pretty much exclusively, I've just painted a "had intent to kill" sign on me whenever security catches me. If I'm not an antagonist, this is basically the opposite of how I should be playing the game.

and in case ya paid attention as a detective that wears armored firesuit and welder mask (and i dont carry a toolbox, i did carry a secure briefcase once or twice) i am then doing multiple jobs (usually replacing entire shitcurity and engineering) and going to space adventures... not to mention dealing with problematic crew (usually griefers) and in case anyone notice murders are the least of our issues... 90% of cases are actually station vandalisms!!! most common is plasma+oxy tank (or just plasma) in engineering or near it set a blaze... or owerloaded engine on purpose with all the canisters at the engine (and the hellburn shields open) not to mention more crew dies of suicide and stupidity than murders... like going into space without a pod or jetpack... not bringing a first aid kit into exploration... not weaponizing when exploring (usually fear of a ban, not to mention any effective weapon is a huge hassle and risk to obtain)
And admins arent helping either, i mean they allow phasers for exploration under some weird circumstances but gods forbid ya scan e-guns and such stun only weapons! Whats next forbiding detective to carry his revolver? If ya ask me crew should have discrete permission to carry non lethals (considering a visit to EVA, pod bay, chemistry, or just the medical vendor can yield far more fucked up weapons)

I understand the game is made for failures, but having the station severely damaged by engine owerload, or welder bombs and such is plain ridiculous... in other words any idiot with minimum of basic knowledge can fuck up the game in 5 minutes! and most of the times its inexperienced crew... i expected reinforced floors and walls to be able to take at least one explosion...

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Just to add somethin... if yer a regular ya will notice some peeps get an ooc grudge (example as a mechanic since no one gives a fuck to open a door for me i ask for ID upgrade, which lately gets refused under excuse of powergaming, even if some other peeps actually powergame... and like for example MD expects me to beg or somethin to be let into medbay to scan his machines and equipment... ironically doesnt let me scan the most needed ones like medi scanners, goggles and the upgrade! To make matters worse peeps tend to steal pods from sec and cargo! (for fuck sake make the civilian pods unlocked no one will bother spending hours cracking a pod code, when ya can hack a door in one minute to steal the sec or QM pods!) Not only that any effective weapon (i aint counting flamethrower here even if it is a really good weapon and tool) is obtained via random crate find, but nearly every god damn one of them requires ya to have acess... miners sometimes run into weapon crates, QM can order some, captain has that antique (which takes horrendous ammount of time just to assemble), security has some... which forces people to steal, rather than  make their own (only a few explorers in science ever bothered grabbing even the flaregun...) Not to mention it should be legit for a mechanic to scan and sell non-lethals to NT workers, and lethals with permission from sec to fill the stations coffers!