remove spy until it is better

[Sundance]

Sundance, that idea has been suggested a ton, and it never goes anywhere. Start small. Why not campaign for random spy teams? Once that's been added, we can move on to doing away with PDA and dagger, adding a surplus crate, code words, etc. I mean, since that didn't work the last time someone suggested it, it makes sense to scale down the proposal and see if a smaller change is feasible. Start with random spy teams, one guy is picked for the head, give him the dagger and PDA, and have his accomplices start off mind-slaved.

This would solve both of the problems you addressed, and would also add in the wrinkle that usually spies are either a posse of heads, or a bunch of people from one department. A gaggle of engineers or scientists is normal, and not really cause for alarm. When a scientist, an engineer, a staff assistant, and the clown all start hanging out together, that's a bit tougher to explain away. And once we're at that point, then we can start addressing ways to make it even more fun, such as code words and random gear and shit like that.

It's not like any idea's on this forum are implemented outright anyway. This sounds like a solid, good first step.

you have to make the effort of finding them (and potentially getting backstabbed) in the process, through codewording. A surplus crate can be deployed as a verb, and that's all the toys you need.

Literally every time codewords have been used in a gimmick or an attempt at spy mode, it leads to groups shouting over the radio "SOUP'S ON IN THE CHAPEL. COME TO THE CHAPEL, SOUPS ONS." "BUT WHERE'S THE BREAD, RIGHT?", making it very obvious.

And I see no problem with this. Yelling over the radio your codewords will
A) Reveal your codewords, and allow people WHO ARENT on your team to pretend like they are. Don't be surprised if joe mc scrubbs was actually part of the other team, and ended up murdering half your crew.
B) Even worse, if someone has anyway organised one or two of their crew, they'll have a raid at the chapel.
C) Security, who aren't mindslaved, will be notified of your actions. That and the AI will more than likely fixate it's eyes to the area your broadcasting.

So sure, shouting over the radio MAY get some people from your crew to join. But in essence it's an awful tactic to use in the long-run