Goonhub
02-09-2018, 08:50 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-09-2018, 08:55 AM by amaranthineApocalypse.)
I'm not suggesting this as a permanent measure by any stretch of the imagination. God no. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. That's a fucking awful idea.
But, i do want to see what would happen if we didn't have a role that was dedicated to taking down antagonists. As far as i see it there are two camps on what security should be, the role that's properly equipped to deal with antags or the shitty mall cops with a few extra tools. Frankly, this divide is fucking over security hard. We have a community mentality that treats them as the former and a ruleset that treats them like the latter.
I want to see what happens if we take them out for a moment to see what the community does when there's no expectation at all of security bailing your ass out when the space wizard comes calling. If it doesn't change the attitude of the community towards fighting antags then it needs to be buffed because as a fighting force, sec are kinda lacklustre and the community doesn't want to do it on their own. If it does? Then Sec might actually be causing the problem that it exists to solve and needs one hell of a rework.
The reason i suggest removing it is because i think it's the fastest way to temporarily absolve them of any responsibility. If anyone suggests anything else that'd have the same effect then i'm down for that too.
Exactly. Hell, a couple of weeks is probably too long. One week would suffice.
But, i do want to see what would happen if we didn't have a role that was dedicated to taking down antagonists. As far as i see it there are two camps on what security should be, the role that's properly equipped to deal with antags or the shitty mall cops with a few extra tools. Frankly, this divide is fucking over security hard. We have a community mentality that treats them as the former and a ruleset that treats them like the latter.
I want to see what happens if we take them out for a moment to see what the community does when there's no expectation at all of security bailing your ass out when the space wizard comes calling. If it doesn't change the attitude of the community towards fighting antags then it needs to be buffed because as a fighting force, sec are kinda lacklustre and the community doesn't want to do it on their own. If it does? Then Sec might actually be causing the problem that it exists to solve and needs one hell of a rework.
The reason i suggest removing it is because i think it's the fastest way to temporarily absolve them of any responsibility. If anyone suggests anything else that'd have the same effect then i'm down for that too.
(02-09-2018, 08:20 AM)Mordent Wrote: Y'all (with one exception) are missing the point of the thread.
(02-09-2018, 04:12 AM)amaranthineApocalypse Wrote: ... I'd like to suggest an experiment. ...
... couple of weeks...
The idea being discussed here is "what if we did this for a couple of weeks for <insert reasons>", not "let's remove security" or "how can we make people want to play sec?".
Personally, I'd be totally okay with this as an experiment, as well as various other short-term experiments to see how the community reacts to (in some cases) a fairly radically different game.
Exactly. Hell, a couple of weeks is probably too long. One week would suffice.