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hukhukhuk - G3 - around 22:30 gmt 22nd march - Kdwjmfno - 03-22-2013 Admin name: hukhukhuk Server: G3 Date/Time: 22:30 gmt 22nd march Synopsis: I was working in engineering on the engine. Over the course of the round the CE John Marshall had been messing around with the engine in detrimental ways. Thos culminated in him venting all the gas in the heating chamber and venting the hot loop. At this point I called security, got into a fight with him, and then he was demoted and removed from engineering for being a suspected traitor. The CE gear remained in engineering with me. A short while later after I had repaired the damage to the engine systems I found he had returned to engineering and was attempting to steal the CE gear that had been left in engineering. Presumably he broke in to do this as I had his ID card. I called security and we got into a fight. I knocked him down and stripped him of his gear. At this point the same sec officer that had demoted him arrived on the scene. We talked for a while and then while the officer was leaving with the unconscious John Marshall the ex ce died. Code: Pube Beecher says, "you are demoted" hukhukhuk accused me of lying about the situation which I clearly did not and showed no interest in discovering the true nature of the situation. Instead he just banned me without giving any time to explain. The ban is not particularly long and not worth trying to have removed, but I dislike the terse and callous way the situation was dealt with. Re: hukhukhuk - G3 - around 22:30 gmt 22nd march - HukHukHuk - 03-22-2013 Look, the combat logs showed you repeatedly attacking him multiple times over an extended period of time, the first encounter he merely tried to defend himself with disarms, which you conveniently left out of your doctored log, then you begin to attack him AGAIN, with a welder, even turning the fucking thing on before you begin your assault, he tries to disarm you, then decides he should actually defend himself by attempting to incapacitate you. You knock him into crit, then he succumbs after he is stripped. Hell, in the log you pasted, it shows you turning on your welding tool and immediately beginning the 2nd fatal round of attacks against the CE. I knew exactly what had happened before I even began to talk to you, even then, you failed to mention the first time you had attacked him and called for Pube Beecher to stun him so you could strip his ID. Re: hukhukhuk - G3 - around 22:30 gmt 22nd march - Kdwjmfno - 03-23-2013 This is exactly what I'm talking about. The logs are in no way doctored at all. You are claiming because I did not include the entire round in what is supposed to be a synopsis that I some how doctored the log. This is nonsense. I specifically did not change anything in the log I posted at all despite most of it being useless. You are clearly biased and overemotional, assuming malevolence where there is none. I attacked him because he was destroying the engine and venting the gas. Putting out the fire with a fire extinguisher. The only options were to let the engine be destroyed or attack him. It is a clear choice. He was engaging in a clear act of vandalism and acting as though he was a poor innocent CE minding his business before our altercation is disingenuous. Before the very first fight began I had warned him to stay out of the engine because I was well aware he was vandalizing the engine. >it shows you turning on your welding tool and immediately beginning the 2nd fatal round of attacks against the CE More emotional nonsense. I was an engineer, what else was I supposed to use? He had been demoted from the position of CE, had broken into engineering and was stealing equipment. >even then, you failed to mention the first time you had attacked him and called for Pube Beecher to stun him so you could strip his ID. Because this is a total fabrication. I did not strip the CE of anything at all until after the second fight. His tool belt, bag, and id were stripped from him by pube. Re: hukhukhuk - G3 - around 22:30 gmt 22nd march - HukHukHuk - 03-23-2013 Or you could, not overreact and kill the guy for trying to get his shit back? You could use disarm intent to incapacitate and adminhelp to make sure we know your intent before you go out and end someone's round? This is like a scientist killing the RD for trying to make a new chemical. What gives you the right to murder someone for experimenting with the engine? What gives you the right to prevent him from getting his things back, also attacking him immediately as he enters the engine to retrieve them? You already beat the shit out of him which your log doesn't show, your log DOES show you finishing the job without even bothering to try and talk to him. I guess I should have been more clear about the ban reason, you thought murder was justified for experimenting with the engine, after you had already beaten the shit out of him with a guard watching. He never went after you as he went to get his things, you went after him. Re: hukhukhuk - G3 - around 22:30 gmt 22nd march - Kdwjmfno - 03-25-2013 This is just more bullshit. He wasn't experimenting with the engine, he killed it. He wanted to kill it. He said in the chat he killed it. Could you get any more biased if you even tried. The only way you could possibly think this is if you didn't read the log at all or you are being willfully ignorant. My intent is obvious, I didn't try to kill him. It is obvious in the logs I didn't want to kill him as he died minutes after I knocked him down. I stopped as soon as he was unconscious. I didn't demote him, sec did. Which you would know if you bothered to read the log or anything I said. So they weren't his things, I was the one left in charge of engineering so they were my things. Which he broke into engineering to steal. So that's what gave me the right to stop him. He went after my things and when i stopped him he tried to kill me. All of this is clear from the actual logs. Re: hukhukhuk - G3 - around 22:30 gmt 22nd march - AlienLab - 03-26-2013 I was John Marshall, the CE in the round in question. I have to apologise for this scant recount of events, but my computer just crashed before I had the chance to submit a highly detailed account of happenings. I haven't the time nor will to go to those lengths again. In summary then: As CE I set up the engine alone. Everything was going well and power output was satisfactory. Mid-way through the round I noticed that the gas canisters were being rapidly drained. They were all on empty and any additional gas canisters added quickly met the same fate. I requested that a borg deliver me more gas from research, and was thus able to keep the engine running for enough time to charge the SMES units to near-capacity. (It is worth noting that the reason the tanks were drained so quickly was because someone had changed the pumps to operate at the wasteful level of 5) (I discovered this after I had been falsely arrested later on) After I was confident that the station would have an ample power supply from the SMES units for the rest of the round, I decided to shut down the engine. I did this for 2 reasons: 1) There was no way I could feed the engine with enough gas to keep it stable. 2) I wanted to ensure that nothing bad happened due to the engine being abandoned when it was running at a high temperature and high pressure. I switched off all of the valves manually and vented the engine. It was at this venting stage that the other engineer, whom I had seen only once at the begining of the round thus far, decided to protest. He seemed to believe that venting the engine was some terrible, traitorous action. I tried to explain what I was doing, but he was in no way capable of reason at the time. I went into the combustion chamber with an extinguisher to ensure that all parts of the engine were left in a neutral state. Once I was inside, the complainant decided to try to kill me with the fire I was trying to put out. He closed the Heat Shield, trapping me inside. I adminhelped this action and HukHukHuk opened the Heat Shield, releasing me. I made my way out and was again confronted by the engineer. He had at this stage persuaded a security officer to arrest me. I was stripped of my things in the main engineering room and was then removed, after some protest by me. I adminhelped the initial arrest. Shortly after I was removed, I came free of my cuffs and asked the AI to let me back into engineering. It did so and I began to search for my things. It was at this point that I was spotted and set upon by the other engineer. He ran off for a moment, and then returned with a lit welder. He attempted to beat me with it while I attempted to evade and disarm him. After a little bit of this, I whipped out my RCD. I was in the redzone healthwise, so I figured this had turned into a fight to the death. I attempted to beat him with the RCD, but I was too gravely wounded, and rendered unconscious. I succumbed to my injuries after a few moments, and then witnessed the security officer who had demoted me without fair reason arrest the other engineer. I adminhelped about the engineer's attack, and kept an eye on the scene. A little while after, I witnessed HukHukHuk wipe out the engineer with an axe. There are a number of reasons why I believe you to be in the wrong here Kdwjmfno. (They should be plainly obvious from my summary of events) 1) You had not worked on the engine in any way save the turning on of the SMES and then came back much later on thinking yourself the saviour of the engine. 2) You seemed, and still seem to have little concept of how the engine works, and then jump to conclusions about what the 'right' way to run it is. 3) You refused to make any in-game attempt to discover the reasons for my actions, instead you just screamed about how I was wrecking everything. 4) You immediately jumped the gun and started to harass me and have me arrested upon no reasonable grounds. 5) On two occasions you reacted in the most extreme fashion available, and tried to kill me with no legitimate reason. 6) You're lying about the logs it seems, as I made no attempt to kill you whatsoever until long after you tried to kill me. 7) The most important aspect to gameplay in this game is effective communication, something to which you payed no heed. I think the logs retained by HukHukHuk are the only real proof of this needed. If another admin would be so kind as to cross-check the results and confirm his findings, I believe that this case could be considered closed. To finish, HukHukHuk did the right thing in confronting/banning you for this, and my thanks to him for looking into it. Re: hukhukhuk - G3 - around 22:30 gmt 22nd march - HukHukHuk - 03-26-2013 AlienLab was actually the victim in this case, and knowing that Kdwjmnfo tried and failed lying to the security officer who came in; I didn't need much more evidence to know that the person being a jerk was probably some self entitled prick who thinks murder is justified for the slightest things. Re: hukhukhuk - G3 - around 22:30 gmt 22nd march - atomicthumbs - 03-26-2013 Kdwjmnfo, you are a terrible player and there is no merit to your complaint. I am closing this thread. |