Goonhub
05-24-2023, 11:41 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-24-2023, 11:42 PM by Lhairn. Edited 1 time in total.)
Have you tried cleaning the kitchen floor with a sponge? It's both back-breaking and takes a lot of time/effort.
Real life complaints asides, this is a suggestion focused on the Janitorial experience: Sponges are currently able to clean any surface or directly the source of dirtiness (gibs, ants, dirt, blood prints, etc) instantly rather than having an action bar like the mop does. This presents a situation in which unless you are dealing with a flooding that needs mopping up, there is absolutely no reason to ever use the mop (the mop being able to soak up infinite amounts of liquid is also another personal gripe of mine).
This creates a situation which results in:
1- As previously stated, other cleaning tools get overshadowed by the sponge. I have never seen a janitor use a mop to clean the floor unless they were a new player, and most of the time spray cleaners or cleaning grenades are saved for places that are too hard to clean manually, such as a bible fart or a synthflesh bombing.
2- As sponges don't generate a pool of water like the mop does when cleaning a mess (unless you clean the tile on which the mess is rather than the mess itself), the reality is that janitors in general almost never create a slipping hazard that they need to be mindful about. Even if you were to clean and immediately soak up the pool of water with a mop, it's still a few seconds in which you have to take care so that a crew-mate doesn't slip and hurt themselves (or to place down the slip hazard sign so that you cannot be blamed). Only times I ever see someone slipping due to the actions of a non-antag janitor is because of the cleaner grenades, and even then they don't carry around a slip sign, because 90% of the time they will be using a sponge.
A few suggestions on how to improve things:
1- About the mop, how about if blocking or using them (with C) places the Janitor in a "automop" stance, in which they move slowly as walking but will water the tiles they step over cleaning them, until the mop is either dry or the Janitor stops. They would still have to dry them out with the mop later, but it would allow for cleaning large mess more comfortably. (perhaps you can only do this with Janitorial training? dunno)
2- About the sponge, how about if cleaning floor surfaces was nerfed with an action bar slightly longer than just mopping, but it kept the instant clean on wiping things out of people, objects or walls that are covered with dirty things like blood. As the mop cannot do this (to my knowledge), it would help to distinguish them apart mechanically.
How would this change reflect in-game:
Solve world hunger, bring happiness to everyone, make science not nuke 1/3 of the station with artlabs and uh, give people a reason to actually use their complete janitorial tools, especially the slippery sign and mop.
Real life complaints asides, this is a suggestion focused on the Janitorial experience: Sponges are currently able to clean any surface or directly the source of dirtiness (gibs, ants, dirt, blood prints, etc) instantly rather than having an action bar like the mop does. This presents a situation in which unless you are dealing with a flooding that needs mopping up, there is absolutely no reason to ever use the mop (the mop being able to soak up infinite amounts of liquid is also another personal gripe of mine).
This creates a situation which results in:
1- As previously stated, other cleaning tools get overshadowed by the sponge. I have never seen a janitor use a mop to clean the floor unless they were a new player, and most of the time spray cleaners or cleaning grenades are saved for places that are too hard to clean manually, such as a bible fart or a synthflesh bombing.
2- As sponges don't generate a pool of water like the mop does when cleaning a mess (unless you clean the tile on which the mess is rather than the mess itself), the reality is that janitors in general almost never create a slipping hazard that they need to be mindful about. Even if you were to clean and immediately soak up the pool of water with a mop, it's still a few seconds in which you have to take care so that a crew-mate doesn't slip and hurt themselves (or to place down the slip hazard sign so that you cannot be blamed). Only times I ever see someone slipping due to the actions of a non-antag janitor is because of the cleaner grenades, and even then they don't carry around a slip sign, because 90% of the time they will be using a sponge.
A few suggestions on how to improve things:
1- About the mop, how about if blocking or using them (with C) places the Janitor in a "automop" stance, in which they move slowly as walking but will water the tiles they step over cleaning them, until the mop is either dry or the Janitor stops. They would still have to dry them out with the mop later, but it would allow for cleaning large mess more comfortably. (perhaps you can only do this with Janitorial training? dunno)
2- About the sponge, how about if cleaning floor surfaces was nerfed with an action bar slightly longer than just mopping, but it kept the instant clean on wiping things out of people, objects or walls that are covered with dirty things like blood. As the mop cannot do this (to my knowledge), it would help to distinguish them apart mechanically.
How would this change reflect in-game:
Solve world hunger, bring happiness to everyone, make science not nuke 1/3 of the station with artlabs and uh, give people a reason to actually use their complete janitorial tools, especially the slippery sign and mop.