Goonhub
06-13-2025, 04:52 AM
I'm not sure if this is the best place to put this, because it relates to rule clarity like many similar posts here but also asks for some community input, let me know if this is the wrong place.
TL;DR: The cop associations to sec being bannable I feel aren't communicated in rule 4 outside of the dictionary definition of bigotry and should be rephrased and/or claused as such.
What this is about is how associating sec with cops is under rule 4 now. My concern is not with any particular incident that incited discussion with it, and while I do have concerns with this that is something I'd do separately to this, my concern is how this is communicated.
For reference I haven't been bwoinked or in any admin related incidents to the topic in game, so I'm not sure on the exacts of how this is enforced. I do feel like reading through #ss13-questions should not be how I learn about a topic which is bannable in game, other users did note not being aware of this being in effect at all, and I'd like to see if others here feel rule 4 communicates this at all/effectively, if user comms in that quantity are allowed in here, that is.
It was mentioned that current events make this worse, this could be a misread in the original message's phrasing but if this is a factor for enforcement of a rule, I'm a bit concerned, with a bit of overstep into my broader concerns with rule 4 being enforced in this way, would exposed unethical cloning experiments IRL mean that I need to tread lightly when yelling at the geneticist for putting mute gene in the cloner? If this is a factor, maybe a recent events sensitivity clause as well?
Goon has always had the "they're just mall cops" stance here admittedly in regard to a lore-wise sec-cop relationship and for development direction but this feels like a step up into enforced rule which really should've been added in a more vocal manner, and honestly at least imho opinion feels almost silent in its addition, and something as big as jobs counting as groups under the definition of bigotry really should have been at the utmost least mentioned in a subsection to it.
TL;DR: The cop associations to sec being bannable I feel aren't communicated in rule 4 outside of the dictionary definition of bigotry and should be rephrased and/or claused as such.
What this is about is how associating sec with cops is under rule 4 now. My concern is not with any particular incident that incited discussion with it, and while I do have concerns with this that is something I'd do separately to this, my concern is how this is communicated.
For reference I haven't been bwoinked or in any admin related incidents to the topic in game, so I'm not sure on the exacts of how this is enforced. I do feel like reading through #ss13-questions should not be how I learn about a topic which is bannable in game, other users did note not being aware of this being in effect at all, and I'd like to see if others here feel rule 4 communicates this at all/effectively, if user comms in that quantity are allowed in here, that is.
It was mentioned that current events make this worse, this could be a misread in the original message's phrasing but if this is a factor for enforcement of a rule, I'm a bit concerned, with a bit of overstep into my broader concerns with rule 4 being enforced in this way, would exposed unethical cloning experiments IRL mean that I need to tread lightly when yelling at the geneticist for putting mute gene in the cloner? If this is a factor, maybe a recent events sensitivity clause as well?
Goon has always had the "they're just mall cops" stance here admittedly in regard to a lore-wise sec-cop relationship and for development direction but this feels like a step up into enforced rule which really should've been added in a more vocal manner, and honestly at least imho opinion feels almost silent in its addition, and something as big as jobs counting as groups under the definition of bigotry really should have been at the utmost least mentioned in a subsection to it.
