Cuff ""Nerf""

[Mikeistaken]

If a traitor gets his hands on cuffs, then security is to blame. No traitor has cuffs.
Should we punish the traitor from taking security's stuff even more?
We gotta get SOME LEE-WAY.

Not exactly true on the "No traitor has cuffs" part, traitors have access to duct tape, it functions basically like a zip tie, although I do still agree with most of the things the people said in this thread, the only people using cuffs should be security and if a traitor gets their hands on them its sometimes security's fault (they could always just take from a sec outpost locker)

[Nerkson]

It is worth mentioning several station prefabs spawn with cuffs. Several science stations spawns with steel cuffs as well.

[Lord_earthfire]

honestly, it's not so much against sec as it is against traitors that abuse cuffs and anything that stuns against unsuspecting people to get a free win.

Thats what antags are supposed to do? Most antags work via "cheap kills" by long lasting or instant stuns/disables. Vamp, changeling and a good chunk of traitor weaponry work that way.

Keep in mind, if someone took the time to cuff you, they also have the time to feed you a pill that will certainly kill you. Or place a black powder pipebomb on your sorry ass. Actually, feeding kuru or other deathchem mix pills is faster than cuffing.

Using cuffs is the slower, mercifull alternative to killing/round removing you.

[TDHooligan]

I've thought before that one way to make cuffs less punishing would be to still allow actions and item use while cuffed, just with a time delayed action bar that's interruptible.

You'd not be completely helpless, but would still be fairly useless at fighting back against someone and still be controllable.
And being able to still use items opens the door to creative solutions like sawing your own arm off to remove cuffs.

tbh i vibe with this a lot. if you aren't being pulled you're still hugely restricted. also worth considering making it so blocking with cuffs causes them to break if people are wailing on you.

[JORJ949]

If you make yourself unbriggable you are just going to be permastunned or bashed to death while security determines a way to make you briggable.

If an antagonist wants you dead they aren't going to take the time to cuff you when they could instead do any number of things to kill you, being cuffed is a mercy that lets you scream for help for longer.

Being cuffed is meant to be a lose condition, start begging for mercy if its an antag, start cooperating if its sec.

[Silent Majority]

I'd have to agree with rats here.

This happens to vampires and wizards. Its happening more to lings now that the primary way of dealing with them was removed from security access.

If we can't arrest people we'll just kill them.