Goonhub
11-28-2022, 11:35 AM
I haven’t read everything on discord but here’s addressing some of the concerns:
- These aren’t the same as mutations exactly. I call em “cloner defects” but if someone comes up with a better name I’d be down to change it. Pretty much a totally different system.
- The “explosion” one isn’t enabled. To be fair it’s the only one that isn’t enabled and that’s pretty unclear (only hint is that it’s set to CLONER_DEFECT_SEVERITY_UNUSED). I understood that it was a bad idea lol
- Defects are applied after you exit the pod, not when cloning starts. The way this is accomplished behind the scenes is kinda jank, but that’s beside the point. If they were applied when cloning started basically any damage would kill you instantly (or at least cause cloning to fail). This pretty much means that you’re guaranteed to be alive when you exit the pod, unless you somehow died so many times that you managed to stack like 6 of the “take some damage” defects. Also, rolling the “you’re a Puritan now” thing won’t kill you immediately, it just means if you get cloned again it becomes a Problem.
- Related to the above, I’ve tried pretty specifically to prevent instant death on leaving the pod, since the idea is less “instantly kill people because they got cloned” and more “make it more work for the doctors to clone people”/“make the game a bit harder after you get cloned”. The brain damage ones can’t stack, the major organ loss can’t roll brain or heart (heart was added after the initial changes because someone mentioned that it sucked), etc
- The “clone defects carry forward” thing is very intentional since the idea is to cause more issues if you get cloned more times. Basically the old “lose max health if you get cloned more” system but more interesting/punishing. I also set it up so the exact numbers/choices on defects are maintained, so if someone comes out missing a left leg, and they get cloned again, they’ll be missing a left leg again (plus whatever new issues). This means if you clone someone and they’re missing a lung and they die again. Go get a lung they’re gonna need it!!!
- Related to the above- basically the way it works is when you scan someone, alive or dead, their existing cloner defects are saved with the other data (like their name and appearance). This means that data disks probably work as a way to circumvent defect stacking? as in, if I make 5 data disks of myself before being cloned at all, I can be cloned 5 times without stacking up defects- each time will have a single roll of defects and that’s all, because I’m being cloned from a “clean” version of my DNA or whatever. If you make a data disk of someone after they’re cloned then yeah they’ll be a little screwed up from the initial cloning.
- idk if anyone is actually using this, butt the scanners geneticists have give a full readout of all the cloning defects that are on someone. This also works for bodies, so you can scan and see “hey this person is missing 2 limbs” before you even clone them. I suppose I could add more specifics to the descriptions, like what limb/organ the person is missing. I also added one of the scanners to each NanoMed (not the portable one).
- mindhack cloner is a good point, I’ll make those defect free. The syndicates actually pay for the good hardware. I’d also be fine with upgrades which reduce the odds/severity of defects, would be easy to implement. Just need a good place to put them.
- I’m fine with how SR currently works. Takes some chemistry, doesn’t fix organ damage or missing organs, requires you to heal the dead person before reviving them.
- Weights are relative, so a major defect with a weight of 20 is 1/5 as likely as a major defect with 100 weight (which is default).
- I’m happy to add more defects or remove/rework/adjust the weights of existing ones. I do realize that a lot of the defects are a little dangerous, so I’ll try to add more that aren’t directly hazardous to your health- I already added a small stamina regen penalty as a defect which should be annoying but doesn’t need medical attention (unless you consider a coffee IV medical).
- These aren’t the same as mutations exactly. I call em “cloner defects” but if someone comes up with a better name I’d be down to change it. Pretty much a totally different system.
- The “explosion” one isn’t enabled. To be fair it’s the only one that isn’t enabled and that’s pretty unclear (only hint is that it’s set to CLONER_DEFECT_SEVERITY_UNUSED). I understood that it was a bad idea lol
- Defects are applied after you exit the pod, not when cloning starts. The way this is accomplished behind the scenes is kinda jank, but that’s beside the point. If they were applied when cloning started basically any damage would kill you instantly (or at least cause cloning to fail). This pretty much means that you’re guaranteed to be alive when you exit the pod, unless you somehow died so many times that you managed to stack like 6 of the “take some damage” defects. Also, rolling the “you’re a Puritan now” thing won’t kill you immediately, it just means if you get cloned again it becomes a Problem.
- Related to the above, I’ve tried pretty specifically to prevent instant death on leaving the pod, since the idea is less “instantly kill people because they got cloned” and more “make it more work for the doctors to clone people”/“make the game a bit harder after you get cloned”. The brain damage ones can’t stack, the major organ loss can’t roll brain or heart (heart was added after the initial changes because someone mentioned that it sucked), etc
- The “clone defects carry forward” thing is very intentional since the idea is to cause more issues if you get cloned more times. Basically the old “lose max health if you get cloned more” system but more interesting/punishing. I also set it up so the exact numbers/choices on defects are maintained, so if someone comes out missing a left leg, and they get cloned again, they’ll be missing a left leg again (plus whatever new issues). This means if you clone someone and they’re missing a lung and they die again. Go get a lung they’re gonna need it!!!
- Related to the above- basically the way it works is when you scan someone, alive or dead, their existing cloner defects are saved with the other data (like their name and appearance). This means that data disks probably work as a way to circumvent defect stacking? as in, if I make 5 data disks of myself before being cloned at all, I can be cloned 5 times without stacking up defects- each time will have a single roll of defects and that’s all, because I’m being cloned from a “clean” version of my DNA or whatever. If you make a data disk of someone after they’re cloned then yeah they’ll be a little screwed up from the initial cloning.
- idk if anyone is actually using this, butt the scanners geneticists have give a full readout of all the cloning defects that are on someone. This also works for bodies, so you can scan and see “hey this person is missing 2 limbs” before you even clone them. I suppose I could add more specifics to the descriptions, like what limb/organ the person is missing. I also added one of the scanners to each NanoMed (not the portable one).
- mindhack cloner is a good point, I’ll make those defect free. The syndicates actually pay for the good hardware. I’d also be fine with upgrades which reduce the odds/severity of defects, would be easy to implement. Just need a good place to put them.
- I’m fine with how SR currently works. Takes some chemistry, doesn’t fix organ damage or missing organs, requires you to heal the dead person before reviving them.
- Weights are relative, so a major defect with a weight of 20 is 1/5 as likely as a major defect with 100 weight (which is default).
- I’m happy to add more defects or remove/rework/adjust the weights of existing ones. I do realize that a lot of the defects are a little dangerous, so I’ll try to add more that aren’t directly hazardous to your health- I already added a small stamina regen penalty as a defect which should be annoying but doesn’t need medical attention (unless you consider a coffee IV medical).