Goonhub
11-08-2022, 10:39 AM
Admin: HauntedAngel
Server: Goon1
Date + time: Somewhere between 11:00 pm EST and 1pm EST on 11/08/2022
Synopsis: I was banned for 24 hours by HauntedAngel because in-game while a traitor I told a security officer to kill themself in-game/in-character after arguing with them about arresting me because they had evidence I was an antagonist that I argued was insufficient to prove I was.
I have to iterate that I fully meant to in-game kill their character/telling their in-game character and not the actual person to kill themself, and that I was not telling them to commit suicide in real life. I fully understand that just saying "kill yourself" in character chat doesn't have the needed context to be interpreted as that, and thus can be triggering or make someone very uncomfortable (thinking that I am telling them to do that in real life),etc. It's not the right or cool thing to say. I was being shitty and toxic, and I should not have. I won't say it like that going forward or behave in that manner. I just thought as an antagonist I could be a bitter more annoying and shitty since it was my goal to cause chaos and disrupt the station. Looking back at the moment, I understand that this was a toxic thing to say and not a generally good idea to do in the future. I could have handled this situation differently, and there were better ways to get across my point and intent at that moment than just blanket saying "kill yourself". I get it, that's not what we want our community to be.
Extra information: Granted all of that, I think a blanket 24-hour ban is excessive. I know the rules are meant to be a guideline, and admins will always have the final say, but I have read them and I do try my best to adhere to them at all times. The only issue I have had with admins in the past were minor griefing or accidentally using the word "bitch", of which after being warned, I acknowledged and followed said rules, and did not have any issues. If at any point an admin has told me to knock something off, I always have. I don't see anywhere in the rules that it says telling someone to kill themself in-game (as antagonist especially) as being a violation of anything, I don't even really see anything about being toxic.
So one, I would like to take the time to say I think the rules should be expanded or written out in a manner that hits on this, so when someone reads them, this point stands out a bit more clearly. It would be really helpful to know at the get-go what counts as non-griefing but toxic behavior and language and to avoid doing that. If everything else that will get you banned is listed like that, I don't understand why something like this isn't. I feel sort of "gotcha'd" because of this. I think clarity would be helpful here. I'm not trying to be a rules-lawyer here and say because this wasn't explicitly listed out, I should be free to go/do whatever I want in this vein. I'm just saying because of how things are communicated, in this specific moment I didn't know what the expectation was, even when trying to adhere to and understand the rules. It would be better to have better communication or outlines in this front, because of that.
Two, I think a 24-hour ban is excessive. I've never been banned before, and any time I've had any issues, I've always been forthcoming, honest, and accepting to any conversation or bwoinks I've had with staff. I've never lied or withheld anything, and when I've been told to knock something off, I always do. I think a warning or smaller timeframe would have gotten the message across to me just as much. I get where the admin is coming from, and I respect what is being conveyed to me here, but with a bit of lack of clarity in the rules, plus the fact that I wasn't even warned or talked to, I think it's fair to say 24 hours is excessive use of admin in this instance.
No hate or ill-intent intended by this towards anyone, these are just my thoughts and I think in the future any situation similar to this from a player should be handled differently. Thanks!
Server: Goon1
Date + time: Somewhere between 11:00 pm EST and 1pm EST on 11/08/2022
Synopsis: I was banned for 24 hours by HauntedAngel because in-game while a traitor I told a security officer to kill themself in-game/in-character after arguing with them about arresting me because they had evidence I was an antagonist that I argued was insufficient to prove I was.
I have to iterate that I fully meant to in-game kill their character/telling their in-game character and not the actual person to kill themself, and that I was not telling them to commit suicide in real life. I fully understand that just saying "kill yourself" in character chat doesn't have the needed context to be interpreted as that, and thus can be triggering or make someone very uncomfortable (thinking that I am telling them to do that in real life),etc. It's not the right or cool thing to say. I was being shitty and toxic, and I should not have. I won't say it like that going forward or behave in that manner. I just thought as an antagonist I could be a bitter more annoying and shitty since it was my goal to cause chaos and disrupt the station. Looking back at the moment, I understand that this was a toxic thing to say and not a generally good idea to do in the future. I could have handled this situation differently, and there were better ways to get across my point and intent at that moment than just blanket saying "kill yourself". I get it, that's not what we want our community to be.
Extra information: Granted all of that, I think a blanket 24-hour ban is excessive. I know the rules are meant to be a guideline, and admins will always have the final say, but I have read them and I do try my best to adhere to them at all times. The only issue I have had with admins in the past were minor griefing or accidentally using the word "bitch", of which after being warned, I acknowledged and followed said rules, and did not have any issues. If at any point an admin has told me to knock something off, I always have. I don't see anywhere in the rules that it says telling someone to kill themself in-game (as antagonist especially) as being a violation of anything, I don't even really see anything about being toxic.
So one, I would like to take the time to say I think the rules should be expanded or written out in a manner that hits on this, so when someone reads them, this point stands out a bit more clearly. It would be really helpful to know at the get-go what counts as non-griefing but toxic behavior and language and to avoid doing that. If everything else that will get you banned is listed like that, I don't understand why something like this isn't. I feel sort of "gotcha'd" because of this. I think clarity would be helpful here. I'm not trying to be a rules-lawyer here and say because this wasn't explicitly listed out, I should be free to go/do whatever I want in this vein. I'm just saying because of how things are communicated, in this specific moment I didn't know what the expectation was, even when trying to adhere to and understand the rules. It would be better to have better communication or outlines in this front, because of that.
Two, I think a 24-hour ban is excessive. I've never been banned before, and any time I've had any issues, I've always been forthcoming, honest, and accepting to any conversation or bwoinks I've had with staff. I've never lied or withheld anything, and when I've been told to knock something off, I always do. I think a warning or smaller timeframe would have gotten the message across to me just as much. I get where the admin is coming from, and I respect what is being conveyed to me here, but with a bit of lack of clarity in the rules, plus the fact that I wasn't even warned or talked to, I think it's fair to say 24 hours is excessive use of admin in this instance.
No hate or ill-intent intended by this towards anyone, these are just my thoughts and I think in the future any situation similar to this from a player should be handled differently. Thanks!