Goonhub
03-17-2021, 10:49 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-18-2021, 02:06 AM by kyle2143. Edited 3 times in total.)
You gotta make a judgment call any time you trust anyone in this game. They could be a changer or an imposter or a mindslave even if they are sec who are unable to roll antag on round start. Letting detective players be traitors just makes them as trustworthy as all of the non security crew, like the Captain and RDir. Due to the detectives current place in the command heirarchy it allows for him to do a bit more traitoring than a botanist, but not really any more than any command officer.
Having the detective always start antag free just removes a bit of the nuance of the character. And that's part of why he doesn't have complete security access. You listen to the Captain despite knowing they could be a traitor because of where they are in the command structure. Security should trust the detective similarly. Like almost half the game is based around not knowing who is good and who is bad.
If the detective couldn't be an antag, functionally they would be no different from the HoS or Sec. Only having one or two more tools that aren't *extremely* helpful. Maybe if forensics was more usable of a source of information, but even then I'm not sure. Because if we locked all the forensics that are damning behind detective, then regular security would want it too and eventually get it and then we're right back here.
Edit: Huh stephmo, it could be fun splitting the detective into a "detective" who is on the force/has a lot of specialty forensics tools and can't start antag and an "inspector" or "PI" (or something along those lines) who occupies the current "loose cannon" role. Maybe he has worse equipment than the role that's on the sec team but makes up for it with illegal lethal ammunition and guile.
Or visa versa (idk which name would fit which roke better), personally I like traitor detective a lot and traitor PI doesn't sound as good. But it could lead to an interesting dynamic between the roles since PI's and detectives habe a sort of rivalry irl, at least that's what I gathered from watching Brooklyn 99.
Having the detective always start antag free just removes a bit of the nuance of the character. And that's part of why he doesn't have complete security access. You listen to the Captain despite knowing they could be a traitor because of where they are in the command structure. Security should trust the detective similarly. Like almost half the game is based around not knowing who is good and who is bad.
If the detective couldn't be an antag, functionally they would be no different from the HoS or Sec. Only having one or two more tools that aren't *extremely* helpful. Maybe if forensics was more usable of a source of information, but even then I'm not sure. Because if we locked all the forensics that are damning behind detective, then regular security would want it too and eventually get it and then we're right back here.
Edit: Huh stephmo, it could be fun splitting the detective into a "detective" who is on the force/has a lot of specialty forensics tools and can't start antag and an "inspector" or "PI" (or something along those lines) who occupies the current "loose cannon" role. Maybe he has worse equipment than the role that's on the sec team but makes up for it with illegal lethal ammunition and guile.
Or visa versa (idk which name would fit which roke better), personally I like traitor detective a lot and traitor PI doesn't sound as good. But it could lead to an interesting dynamic between the roles since PI's and detectives habe a sort of rivalry irl, at least that's what I gathered from watching Brooklyn 99.