Goonhub
09-09-2020, 12:05 PM
I feel like this might have been a suggestion made before, but I want to bring it up again. The title is self-explanatory, and I have a few ways I could imagine this being implemented.
A. Upon using a token, you only will use it if the gamemode is capable of spawning an antagonist you have activated on your preferences, if not, it gets refunded.
B. Activating a token allows you to choose what antagonist you want, and you will spawn as it regardless of the mode. (Outside of say, Revs or Nukies or other special modes that change the entire round type.) So there could be a Vampire during a Ling round at round start. I honestly don't think this is that big of a deal since random event antags already throw a wrench into gamemodes.
So besides those simple suggestions, I am well aware of the arguments against these, primarily being:
1. They can be used to meta the gamemode if you don't get the antagonist you want.
My argument against that is it can easily be enforced via rules and tokens are rather rare anyways so it wouldn't be common - furthermore, you can mechanically prevent it by forcing the player to ghost/observe if it's not an appropriate gamemode for the antagonist they want. That can be the risk a player takes when queueing for antag with only say, blob enabled.
2. Tokens are a privilege, not a right, and players aren't owed anything by them and should be glad they can get to be antagonist at all without rng.
I honestly have not much of a comeback against this, because it's true. I just think it would be nice to not get Gang Leader - a mode I notoriously despise playing as my make up for a Ling round ending in the first ten minutes.
Anyways, I understand that tokens are rather niche and more of a nice favor on the point of an Admin as an "I am sorry." for whatever happened in the past, but it's just incredibly frustrating sometimes. Feel free to discuss below.
P.S. - I TOTALLY DID NOT ACCIDENTALLY POST THIS IN THE WRONG AREA EARLIER
A. Upon using a token, you only will use it if the gamemode is capable of spawning an antagonist you have activated on your preferences, if not, it gets refunded.
B. Activating a token allows you to choose what antagonist you want, and you will spawn as it regardless of the mode. (Outside of say, Revs or Nukies or other special modes that change the entire round type.) So there could be a Vampire during a Ling round at round start. I honestly don't think this is that big of a deal since random event antags already throw a wrench into gamemodes.
So besides those simple suggestions, I am well aware of the arguments against these, primarily being:
1. They can be used to meta the gamemode if you don't get the antagonist you want.
My argument against that is it can easily be enforced via rules and tokens are rather rare anyways so it wouldn't be common - furthermore, you can mechanically prevent it by forcing the player to ghost/observe if it's not an appropriate gamemode for the antagonist they want. That can be the risk a player takes when queueing for antag with only say, blob enabled.
2. Tokens are a privilege, not a right, and players aren't owed anything by them and should be glad they can get to be antagonist at all without rng.
I honestly have not much of a comeback against this, because it's true. I just think it would be nice to not get Gang Leader - a mode I notoriously despise playing as my make up for a Ling round ending in the first ten minutes.
Anyways, I understand that tokens are rather niche and more of a nice favor on the point of an Admin as an "I am sorry." for whatever happened in the past, but it's just incredibly frustrating sometimes. Feel free to discuss below.
P.S. - I TOTALLY DID NOT ACCIDENTALLY POST THIS IN THE WRONG AREA EARLIER