Poll: Who has higher authority?
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Captain (Green Hat Brigade)
42.86%
42 42.86%
Head of Security (Beret All The Way)
35.71%
35 35.71%
Clown (Trash option for people who don't care)
21.43%
21 21.43%
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Chain of Command: Captain or HoS
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(09-29-2016, 03:33 AM)Sundance Wrote:
TheNewTeddy Wrote:Except it is. The "other side" argument is nonsense quite frankly. I have to restrain myself from going into a savage personal attack over this bullshit.
Would you be able to explain your position in a civil manner?

I will try.

I think the best thing I can do is to help people understand why this seems to crystal clear to me.


Imagine there is a new game to play. It's a squad based game. The squad has 6 people in it. The "Squad Leader", the "Squad Engineer", the  "Squad Doctor", the "Squad Gunner", the "Squad Bombardier" and the "Squad Robot".

Now the Robot has a specific set of rules to follow because he is a robot. Those rules match up with the titles. The leader is to be obeyed. These rules are written down on the wiki for the robot to follow.

As the game goes on a problem props up. The Bombardier you see is the only person allowed to carry bombs. He can, with one fuckup, kill the entire squad. Quickly too. A bad Leader can be ignored, a bad Robot can be bricked, but a bad Bombardier means game over. 

So, to prevent this, the admins decide to start a register. All players who plan to be a Bombardier will need to ask if they are allowed.


Years pass.


Someone posts a question asking who is the Leader of the squad. The Leader or the Bombardier. 



1 - We already know the answer. It's on the wiki. It's also in the person's title. There is no question. Why the person would even have this question is absurd.

2 - As mentioned above, the Robot has to, according to the game rules, follow the orders of the Leader. As such this preposterous question only applies to the other players in the game. 

3 - The only reason the Bombardier needs to register is because they can really fuck things up. The fact they need approval is not an indication that they are anointed by the admin team with any kind of leadership mandate. 

4 - That anyone would even think "Is Leader Leader or is Not-Leader Leader?" is something that's undecided.




Now. Given that situation, do you understand how someone who has played off and on for years could feel that




A - 50% of the playerbase is playing a different game than them, given that this fundamental, simple, clear, and obvious question even has to be raised.

B - 50% of the playerbase is playing a different game than them, given that this fundamental, simple, clear, and obvious question has been answered incorrectly.

C - That the argument that because one of the two jobs needs the admins to say "we trust you not to fuck this up" means, in any way "you are in charge now", can be infuriating when it clearly does not.





The answer to this is very clear and very simple.


I - The wiki says the captain is in charge, so the captain is in charge.

II - The wiki lays out very specific times when this is not the case, meaning all other situations have the captain in charge. 

III - The wiki does not detail a punishment for refusing to follow the orders of the Captain. That means you can tell that fucker to blow chunks if you want to ignore him.

IV - The fact that you've told the Captain to blow chunks does not mean he's not your boss, nor does it mean you have to stop being belligerent and listen to him.





In short:

If you are on the RP server and ignore the captain, you better be committing a mutiny on purpose. Maybe this is what you want to do, and I could see that being interesting. The RP server has it's own set of rules and regulations, and I don't feel the majority of this discussion has focused on that, so, I will continue with that in mind.

If you are not on the RP server, and you are the AI or a Borg, you must follow the laws telling you to obey the Captain. Again, the discussion does not seem to focus on that much, so I'm going to presume that we are not talking about what an AI or Borg should do. In fact, it's clearly spelled out what an AI or Borg should do, follow the captain unless it's a security matter. What is a security matter? You decide

If you are not on the RP server, and are a Human, you are free to do whatever the fuck you want without breaking any of these rules. Despite that, you are under no obligation to listen to the Captain, the HoS, the Barman, or anyone. If you decide some random ass Staff Assistant is the person you want to listen to, you go right ahead; but don't go A-Helping the Captain and HoS for stunning you and locking you up for insubordination. 




Even shorter:

The only time this fucking matters is if the HoS decides to butt heads with the Captain, and if that happens unless it's CLEARLY black and white...

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

If you get mad cause the captain is salty at you not following his orders, either A-Help him, or shut the fuck up and stop playing the game.
If you get mad because you are the captain and someone is getting salty and not following your orders, either A-Help him, or shut the fuck up and stop playing the game.
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Messages In This Thread
Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by UrsulaMejor - 09-28-2016, 05:04 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Zafhset - 09-28-2016, 05:42 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Grek - 09-28-2016, 06:18 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Camnui - 09-28-2016, 09:02 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by TheNewTeddy - 09-29-2016, 09:39 AM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Mordent - 09-29-2016, 03:51 AM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by GEC - 09-29-2016, 07:05 AM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by ZeWaka - 09-29-2016, 10:59 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Mordent - 09-29-2016, 01:52 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Roomba - 09-29-2016, 06:44 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Camnui - 09-29-2016, 09:01 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by bubs - 10-19-2016, 12:22 AM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Wire - 10-19-2016, 07:32 AM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Ines - 10-19-2016, 03:21 PM
RE: Chain of Command: Captain or HoS - by Avack - 10-22-2016, 04:39 AM

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