09-29-2016, 03:33 AM
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TheNewTeddy Wrote:Except it is. The "other side" argument is nonsense quite frankly. I have to restrain myself from going into a savage personal attack over this bullshit.Would you be able to explain your position in a civil manner? I'm interested to hear it.
Quite frankly the results are exactly the way I thought they would go, clown included. The crew are naturally insubordinate, they'll side with whoever suits their needs so long as they don't break the rules. The position I think your taking ursula is a bit laughable, do you really think the crew takes orders?
Short answer: No they do not, the station is a zoo. Security do however. And they follow the HoS, unless the HoS is a raving lunatic, in which case they'll (probably) follow the Captain.
I will note is that the AI should preference the Captain over the HoS as it's in his laws to follow the chain of command, with the Captain theoretically on top, unless this of course breaks law 1. In which case he should definetely follow the HoS. But according to the chain of command he probably could follow the HoP too, but the HoP is often seen as a spineless dork so it's not surprising the AI would choose the HoS over the HoP.
One thing I want to touch on is your scenarios, as I feel like it's one of the reasons you made this thread.
Take the example of walling off a corridor with pizza steel. This is warrent of an asskicking in my regard and is a deliction of duty.
So damn what if the captain ordered you to do it? That's a complete and utter cop-out and the captain is twisting his position to have "fun" and you followed his order to have "fun", absolutely nothing to do with the chain of command, you would've done it if it was the clown doing it, and you wouldn't of followed his "order" if it didn't suit you, see above.
The HoS is fully entitled to stop this because you are blocking off the corridor, so people can get trapped, or even die if they were in crit and had to make it to medbay. The HoS after all is a mediator between people having fun at other peoples expense. If you cross that line, you get put in the slammer, captain included.
Now a different scenario was if the captain ordered a bunch of people to make one of those mechanic "papers please" obstructions where they have to pay to cross. That's different. The HoS in the scenario should play along, maybe even ask for a cut. It's the nature of the situation and quite frankly it's down to the interpertation of the HoS. The captain's position as Head of Head's only has some weight in that matter.