Goonhub
05-06-2016, 01:25 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-06-2016, 02:43 PM by Mageziya. Edited 2 times in total.)
Reminder that there's a tip that can show at roundstart that says something along the lines of: "Never trust a vigilante, they're probably breaking all sorts of rules too."
In general though, there's been a massive culture shift. People don't want to be assholes, more-so people are afraid of being assholes. Taking someone out of the game by killing them is now frowned upon. In old goon, the joy got people out of the game was beating the crap out of people and murdering them. Everyone was looking for a justification to kill someone, whilst also being on the look out for people trying to kill them or others, in part because that gave that justification to kill someone. It was valid hunting. It may have been shit, and and created the reputation that goon still has trouble shaking, but it in all its shitness it made things fun.
It's just that there's no conflict now. The traditional relationship was that antags are supposed to create the conflict, but they can only do so much. Everyone is a afraid of being an asshole, so most people just choose ignore anything suspicious that they see happening, in part because of the effort it takes, and suspicions being false just makes the person seem mean. It's reached a point where I'm fairly sure that many new players don't even know what suspicious behavior looks like anymore. I had a chat with a group of new players in dead chat ~2-3 weeks ago who didn't know what a sleepy pen was, though that's just biased anecdotal evidence.
I'm not sure what there is to fix the situation, per se. It seems that a balance can never really be found. If we get people to become more responsive and fight antagonists as a whole, it would lean back towards the extreme style of old goon. At that point it would then be corrected again and lean back towards where we are today, and would keep happening until goon dies.
In general though, there's been a massive culture shift. People don't want to be assholes, more-so people are afraid of being assholes. Taking someone out of the game by killing them is now frowned upon. In old goon, the joy got people out of the game was beating the crap out of people and murdering them. Everyone was looking for a justification to kill someone, whilst also being on the look out for people trying to kill them or others, in part because that gave that justification to kill someone. It was valid hunting. It may have been shit, and and created the reputation that goon still has trouble shaking, but it in all its shitness it made things fun.
It's just that there's no conflict now. The traditional relationship was that antags are supposed to create the conflict, but they can only do so much. Everyone is a afraid of being an asshole, so most people just choose ignore anything suspicious that they see happening, in part because of the effort it takes, and suspicions being false just makes the person seem mean. It's reached a point where I'm fairly sure that many new players don't even know what suspicious behavior looks like anymore. I had a chat with a group of new players in dead chat ~2-3 weeks ago who didn't know what a sleepy pen was, though that's just biased anecdotal evidence.
I'm not sure what there is to fix the situation, per se. It seems that a balance can never really be found. If we get people to become more responsive and fight antagonists as a whole, it would lean back towards the extreme style of old goon. At that point it would then be corrected again and lean back towards where we are today, and would keep happening until goon dies.