Goonhub
07-08-2015, 11:53 AM
Admin name: Popecrunch
Server: synirc.net/#goonstation
Date/Time: 7/8/2015 4:38 PM
Synopsis: So Popecrunch is going on and on about activism this and activism that, specifically regarding the treatment of sex offenders in the US. I agree with some of his points and try to answer back with my own, but Popecrunch just ignores me and keeps spamming the chat. I'm like, alright, whatever. Apparently he's the only one allowed to talk.
So I'm playing SS13, still watching the chat, waiting for Popecrunch to finish, when I hear screaming outside my apartment. I go to see what's up, turns out to just be some kids in the pool; I come back to the chatroom to see a discussion about men's right activism vs feminism has started because now Popecrunch is talking about men being raped in prison and this other guy, Peace, is bringing up the whole MRA v F debate. Haine and I both around the same time immediately respond negatively to that conversation, because we all know where it's going to go. It's going to go downhill REALLY fast and people's feelings are going to get hurt.
Popecrunch immediately comes to the defense of the conversation, which whatever, but then starts dogging me specifically for telling everyone to shut the fuck up and to listen to Haine. He goes on about how he's such an activist on his soapbox, going on about how he's fighting for people's rights and then starts insulting me specifically saying it's because the "conversation made me uncomfortable." It didn't make me uncomfortable, it was going to spiral out of control, and what do you know: IT DID. Everyone was getting pissed off at everyone else and it was turning into a fucking screaming match. Haine and I were right. And Popecrunch's reaction to all of this was to start insulting me. So I told him off, fuck him. And he banned me for it.
I'm not appealing the ban, either, I don't give a fuck. I don't want to be here if this kind of bullshit is tolerated by the administration here.
Log: This is as far back as I could go and couldn't get his entire conversation. It gets bad around 16:24
Extra Information: None, there's the log, have fun.
Server: synirc.net/#goonstation
Date/Time: 7/8/2015 4:38 PM
Synopsis: So Popecrunch is going on and on about activism this and activism that, specifically regarding the treatment of sex offenders in the US. I agree with some of his points and try to answer back with my own, but Popecrunch just ignores me and keeps spamming the chat. I'm like, alright, whatever. Apparently he's the only one allowed to talk.
So I'm playing SS13, still watching the chat, waiting for Popecrunch to finish, when I hear screaming outside my apartment. I go to see what's up, turns out to just be some kids in the pool; I come back to the chatroom to see a discussion about men's right activism vs feminism has started because now Popecrunch is talking about men being raped in prison and this other guy, Peace, is bringing up the whole MRA v F debate. Haine and I both around the same time immediately respond negatively to that conversation, because we all know where it's going to go. It's going to go downhill REALLY fast and people's feelings are going to get hurt.
Popecrunch immediately comes to the defense of the conversation, which whatever, but then starts dogging me specifically for telling everyone to shut the fuck up and to listen to Haine. He goes on about how he's such an activist on his soapbox, going on about how he's fighting for people's rights and then starts insulting me specifically saying it's because the "conversation made me uncomfortable." It didn't make me uncomfortable, it was going to spiral out of control, and what do you know: IT DID. Everyone was getting pissed off at everyone else and it was turning into a fucking screaming match. Haine and I were right. And Popecrunch's reaction to all of this was to start insulting me. So I told him off, fuck him. And he banned me for it.
I'm not appealing the ban, either, I don't give a fuck. I don't want to be here if this kind of bullshit is tolerated by the administration here.
Log: This is as far back as I could go and couldn't get his entire conversation. It gets bad around 16:24
Code:
16:17 WrongEnd Pretty sure in England you can't fire a cannon in public
16:17 WrongEnd I dunno why there's such a law, but it's there
16:17 zzzHaine I have reached near peak apathy
16:17 popecrunch but let's set aside the bullshit about sex offenders entirely for now and focus on how the prison system in general is a big spinachy loaf of steaming shit
16:17 zzzHaine I really do not want to barf again today
16:17 Jerkops
16:17 zzzHaine bluhhh
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16:18 Peace WrongEnd: I only fire my cannon in private.
16:18 --- ArbitraryTA is away (Auto away)
16:18 popecrunch let's take a prison, selected at random. red onion sate prison, virginia.
16:18 popecrunch http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/redonion/index.htm#TopOfPage
16:18 Peace "Prison system", or as we call it here, gulag system.
16:19 Peace Because it's a for-profit slavery system.
16:19 popecrunch i don't really have anything to add that won't somehow dilute the nightmare of absolute insanity and cruelty that is red onion state prison, virginia, so i'll just suggest you read the report
16:19 WrongEnd As it turns out, sending our prisoners to private for-profit facilities with no incentive for rehabilitation is a terrible fucking idea
16:19 popecrunch i sent a copy of that report, and a copy of my article on prison rape, and a strongly worded letter to my boy Jim Webb back when i lived in virginia
16:20 Erasmus Jim WEbb?
16:20 popecrunch his response was: Holy Shit, and to champion a prison reform act in congress
16:20 popecrunch virginia senator to the US
16:20 Peace WrongEnd: Terrible idea, or best capitalist system?
16:20 Erasmus Ahh
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16:20 Erasmus What article did you write?
16:20 popecrunch lemme pull it up, sec
16:20 WrongEnd Capitalist's dream, but terrible fucking idea for the average worker
16:20 Erasmus And, do you have a copy of it anywhere?
16:21 KikiMofo Popecrunch is too awesome for one crunch
16:21 popecrunch yeah i chucked a copy on my blog and dailykos and a few other places, pulling up a link now
16:21 zzzHaine "Inmates are fired at with shotguns" oh
16:21 JebediahKerman .tell TheCheat
16:21 Spacebee floats out and buzzes or something.
16:21 popecrunch here's a copy http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/08/31/897795/-sexual-torture-in-america-s-prisons
16:22 Peace Be careful, you might step on some radical feminists toes if you suggest that prison rape is an issue.
16:22 popecrunch i step on all toes.
16:23 popecrunch you can't be a useful member of the loyal opposition without getting used to pissing people absolutely off
16:23 Mosheninikov p sure if they're radical (presumably leftists) they're gonna care about prison abuses anyway???
16:23 Peace Then wear heavy lead boots, because they piss me off, even though I fundamentally agree with them in almost everything.
16:23 Mosheninikov but sure let's bring up feminisms outta nowhere
16:23 *** Mosheninikov is now known as Mosheninkov
16:23 HeadSurgeon being nowhere near me
16:24 Erasmus So, Popecrunch
16:24 popecrunch hi
16:24 Erasmus did they actually come up with new standards in the 5 years since?
16:24 butt did they actually come up with new buttdards in the 5 years butt?
16:24 zzzHaine peace what
16:24 Peace Mosheninkov: Because it's an issue that's brought up by MRAs, and radfems love a witchhunt.
16:24 popecrunch sort of
16:24 zzzHaine why
16:24 zzzHaine what??
16:25 popecrunch some dudes in charge of prisons got fired and some lawsuits happened and then everybody stopped talking about it for a while
16:25 Mosheninkov MRAs deserve to be hunted to the ends of the earth
16:25 zzzHaine okay holy shit let's not start the feminists vs mras shit
16:25 popecrunch which is pretty much the best you can hope for in a fight against the TOUGH ON CRIIIIIIIME types
16:25 Mosheninkov what ""activism"" do MRAs actually engage in
16:25 Mosheninkov besides shitting their diapers and whining on the internet about how mean girls are
16:25 Erasmus
16:25 Erasmus Where are you living now?
16:25 Skunkrocker Wow everyone needs to the shut the fuck up
16:25 popecrunch the fact i wasn't literally burned at the stake for daring to suggest that maybe we shouldn't treat prisoners are literal garbage was a huge success
16:25 popecrunch i live in washington dc
16:25 Erasmus And, what is your current state's senator opinion on this?
16:25 popecrunch well
16:25 Skunkrocker This conversation is going literally no where
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16:26 popecrunch in maryland, but the part of maryland that is 'basically north dc'
16:26 Peace Mosheninkov: Sure, because the MRA movements are fronts for Republican and religious fundies anti-women activities, but some of the ideas of MRA itself aren't bad, eg prison rape is a men's issue.
16:26 Hufflaw YES EVEN THOSE WHO ARE RIGHT NEED TO SHUT UP, BECAUSE NO ONE EVER LEARNED ANYTHING FROM A CONVERSATION
16:26 popecrunch <Skunkrocker> Wow everyone needs to the shut the fuck up
16:26 Mosheninkov no it is not a men's issue
16:26 popecrunch great idea skunkrocker why don't you show us an example
16:26 Mosheninkov it is a part of the wider justice system being shit issue
16:26 Skunkrocker Dude this conversation never goes anywhere good
16:26 Peace Mosheninkov: Alright, I had thought about that earlier actually. Dad's rights are a male issue.
16:26 butt Mosheninkov: Alright, I had thought butt that earlier actually. Dad's butts are a male issue.
16:26 Erasmus Also, do you often write about things like this?
16:26 Erasmus Or was that just a one off?
16:27 Mosheninkov ok
16:27 popecrunch i do a lot of political writing yes but most of it these days is not for public consumption
16:27 Skunkrocker Also I bring this up here
16:27 popecrunch like investigative pieces for the union, that sort of thing
16:27 HeadSurgeon to bring that name
16:27 Peace It's not intrinsically a male issue, but it can be.
16:27 Skunkrocker zzzHaine: okay holy shit let's not start the feminists vs mras shit
16:27 Skunkrocker It never goes anywhere good
16:27 Peace Skunkrocker: I'm both a (theoretically) MRA and a feminist. They're compatible.
16:27 Mosheninkov much like MRAs
16:27 popecrunch i've had to slow down in the last yearish due to the fact that the stresses of staring into the eyes of the beast were literally murdering me, but i keep up the good fight best i can
16:27 Erasmus That sounds pretty interesting Pope
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16:28 Peace I just find it easier to call myself a Male Feminist.
16:28 popecrunch yeah a yearish ago i got to bust up a clothing manufacturer
16:28 Erasmus What got you interested in... Well, not activism, but into writing about some of the things that I typically don't see American's talk about?
16:28 HeadSurgeon in general manufacturer
16:28 Peace I had a pretty long discussion about this in #gbs just a while ago, with the resident feminists basically going "oh yeah, now that you've explained yourself, I see your point."
16:28 popecrunch i got issued a hidden camera and sweet-talked the factory owner into bragging about labor abuses
16:28 popecrunch it owned
16:28 Erasmus Oh wow
16:29 Erasmus So, you're a journalist?
16:29 popecrunch no i am just Some Asshole (tm) but sometimes people like hearing what i say
16:29 Chase_Mobile A big gaping asshole
16:29 Peace Citizen journalist.
16:29 popecrunch i got interested in activism because i've always thought the idea of open secrets about stupid shit was stupid shit
16:29 Erasmus Well, I'm reading through your thing on Professional courtesy
16:29 butt Well, I'm reading through your thing on Profesbuttal courbutt
16:30 popecrunch you don't sweep 'we have literal slavery in these united states' under the rug
16:30 popecrunch you don't sweep 'black people are literally hunted for sport by law enforcement officers' under the rug
16:30 Erasmus Agreed
16:30 Peace popecrunch: Who's the opposition to you?
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16:30 KikiMofo I don't know how to fix the captian's gun
16:30 Peace Because someone is enforcing that system.
16:31 popecrunch you don't plug your ears and go la la la la and hope 'transsexual children are literally forced into homelessness and their eventual murders or suicides, because the bible' goes away
16:31 +++ ChanServ has given op to FreshLemon
16:31 Peace Yeah, but popecrunch, who's the opposition to the people who are trying to fix these issues?
16:31 popecrunch western society and the culture of 'i could care about this thing, but i'd rather watch Jersey Shore and eat a burrito'
16:31 popecrunch that's my number one enemy
16:31 Peace Hmm... So you have light opposition so far.
16:31 popecrunch people who get up in the morning and have a basic day and go to bed without giving a second thought to anything but themselves, that's my enemy
16:32 Erasmus Kiki, where are you stuck?
16:32 Peace You have great, easy enemies.
16:32 KikiMofo I wired it
16:32 AngriestIBM "fuck the poor, and also minorities" -white american jesus, while drinking from a big gulp(tm)
16:32 Erasmus And pope, were you one of the many who wrote in about the NSA?
16:32 popecrunch my main opposition is the crushing fact that at the end of the day, i can lead a horse to water, but i can't make them think
16:32 Peace I wish my enemies were that lazy.
16:32 Skunkrocker Okay popecrunch then answer me this, how is having the conversation "Men's Right Activists versus Feminists" going to help any of that considering we're a bunch of people on the internet who play a game where you literally fart on Clowns in space?
16:32 KikiMofo And now I'm surrounded by gold and uqil and shit
16:32 HeadSurgeon were enemies at mahjong
16:32 KikiMofo And I can't figure out what to do
16:32 Erasmus Essentially Kiki, the only issue with the gun is that its circuit board is fucked
16:32 popecrunch it's not that my enemies are lazy, it's that my enemies are Laziness, and that's a fight you can't win
16:32 Skunkrocker All it's going to do is bring out shitty opinions and ire and people being dicks
16:32 Hufflaw Skunkrocker he wasn't having that conversation
16:32 KikiMofo Yeah
16:32 Erasmus Think about what normal circuit boards might have
16:32 Peace popecrunch: It's not the US gov?
16:32 popecrunch it is literally not possible for me to satisfy my conditions for victory, and that's okay
16:32 KikiMofo Circuit board won't fit i nit
16:32 Erasmus And then think of the SS13 analogies to it
16:32 Erasmus Nono
16:32 Erasmus Not entire boards
16:33 Skunkrocker Literally the conversation happening earlier when I came back from checking out the screaming going on outside
16:33 Erasmus Components of a board
16:33 butt Literally the conversation happening earlier when I came back from checking butt the screaming going on outbutt
16:33 Peace After all, it was the US gov that put the system into place, and enforces it.
16:33 popecrunch i'm not going to be able to chuck all the starfish into the sea, but i can make a difference to the ones i can reach
16:33 KikiMofo I have gold but it won't go in it
16:33 Hufflaw Also Peace you literally label yourself something dumb then act angry when people think you're dumb
16:33 KikiMofo Gold in bar form
16:33 Readster Skunkrocker why are you so opposed to the idea of people just talking about things for the sake of iot
16:33 Peace Hufflaw: What do you mean?
16:33 Erasmus Do you just stick base elements onto a board and expect them to work?
16:33 Peace Which label are you thinking of?
16:33 Erasmus Nono
16:33 popecrunch skunkrocker please point out where i have mentioned MRAs or feminism in this conversation before this very moment. i'll wait.
16:33 WrongEnd This IRC is for players of Goonstation to talk about just about anything
16:33 Erasmus You have to make something out of it, don't you
16:33 WrongEnd Not just space stations
16:33 KikiMofo Yeah but I don't know what to make
16:33 popecrunch if you can't find one, it's because i didn't bring it up or comment on it, and you are being a massive asshole and i wish you would stop.
16:33 KikiMofo I've been trying to fitgure that out
16:33 Erasmus I'll give you a hint. Everything you need is on the Workbench
16:33 Hufflaw Man I gotta say this the right way
16:33 KikiMofo I;ve made lenses and gears
16:33 HeadSurgeon a comment block of ice, and being like $2 so i wouldnt fuckin know
16:34 KikiMofo Neither work
16:34 Erasmus Keep looking through
16:34 KikiMofo Also power cell
16:34 butt Butt power cell
16:34 Erasmus You've overlooked something
16:34 popecrunch but yeah just because i have literally no chance at success doesn't mean it's not a fight worth having
16:34 Peace Hufflaw: If it's Male Feminist, then the justification for it is that misandry mirrors misogyny.
16:34 Peace Therefore, any form of inequality hurts both genders.
16:34 Hufflaw MRA's are mysogynists, I do not care what you say, they are a collection of internet people who label themselves activists and harass others. If you do not do that and say that you actually support the things they allegedly are against then you are not a men's rights activist but a regular human being.
16:34 Skunkrocker Peace did, and you supported it, and to Peace's credit they didn't pull an attitude about it when Haine and I were like "don't have this conversation because it will shit up the channel", YOU did.
16:34 Hufflaw Also feminism is for equality you idiot.
16:35 Peace Hufflaw: I agree with you about MRAs.
16:35 Peace I agree with you about feminism too.
16:35 Erasmus Yeah
16:35 Peace But I didn't say that.
16:35 popecrunch that's not a paste of something i said, please get bent with all possible speed
16:35 Hufflaw No that's all that will be said about this. This is going to be an argument about semantics so we all agree apparently.
16:35 Hufflaw Which is good
16:35 Peace I said that MRAs are a front for Republicans and religious fundies anti-women activities.
16:35 AngriestIBM whats the deal with Skunkrocker and complaining about everything
16:35 AngriestIBM in game
16:35 *** User_ quit (Quit: Leaving)
16:35 AngriestIBM on the forums
16:35 AngriestIBM on irc
16:35 popecrunch okay you wanted to know what my enemy is?
16:35 KikiMofo I am
16:35 KikiMofo I am the enemy
16:35 Hufflaw Okay then express yourself more clearly, Peace
16:36 popecrunch skunkrocker and the millions just like him, who when confronted with a discussion they find uncomfortable, want it to go away
16:36 Hufflaw In the future
16:36 butt In the fubutt
16:36 Peace A front, yes, but they have raised some ideas that are interesting, like prison rape and dad's rights. There is no good MRA movement right now, and I hate all of the ones that exist right now.
16:36 Skunkrocker I don't find it uncomfortable, it's fucking stupid!
16:36 AngriestIBM The man I interrupted in irc was talking over me
16:36 KikiMofo Also erasmus I figured out the second part
16:36 AngriestIBM in irc, a format where you can just read my words anyway
16:36 Peace Hufflaw: I did.
16:36 popecrunch the millions who would rather talk about the size of kim kardashian's ass then the size of a military budget
16:36 Readster ok that's cool Skunkrocker
16:36 HeadSurgeon hufflaw: seriously though
16:36 Skunkrocker MRAs vs Feminists, yeah that's really going to fix shit
16:36 Erasmus Actually popecrunch, that's quite a good point/
16:36 Readster usually when people don't like a conversation they just don't participate
16:36 Readster or is this irc your entire life
16:36 Hufflaw Peace this is an argument over the definitions of words, all of us agree so this will mainly be about how we want to name it.
16:36 Erasmus When these discussions come up
16:36 Skunkrocker Let's talk about misogynists and people actually fighting for their fucking rights that get shit on every day by "activists"
16:36 Peace Hufflaw: The thing is, Male Feminism is very, very new, and people don't know what it is about yet.
16:36 Erasmus People often try to steer away form them
16:36 Skunkrocker FUCK YOU
16:36 HeadSurgeon of it was something entire crew to a crisp
16:36 Skunkrocker FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING PEICE OF MYSOGNISTIC SHIT
16:37 Skunkrocker GET THE FUCK OUT
16:37 boot_error Readster: this IRC only drives my will to LIVE
16:37 Skunkrocker YOU MOTHER FUCKER
16:37 HeadSurgeon also skinny peice of future past and a half, mate
16:37 Readster right
16:37 Readster well
16:37 Readster I can see somebody has some issues
16:37 butt I can see somebutt has some issues
16:37 popecrunch people who are more concerned that the burger on the dollar menu is now $1.09 then the fact that there are millions of people in these united states who couldn't afford it at either price
16:37 boot_error Readster: like right now, my will to live has never been higher
16:37 HeadSurgeon $1 screwdriver from an alternate timelime
16:37 Erasmus Can someone explain what MRAs are?
16:37 Dabir jesus fucking christ you drama-manufacturing assholes
16:37 popecrunch okay i'm about to abuse my strudel here
16:37 *** Dabir left #goonstation (Leaving)
16:37 Peace Hufflaw, stop that. I have to keep correcting you because you keep telling _me_ what _I_ believe in. I can explain myself just fine.
16:37 boot_error Readster: I have to live to see what the hell happens now.
16:37 popecrunch i am sure someone will yell at me later how this is admin abuse but fuck it
16:37 Skunkrocker You have no idea anything about me dude
16:37 popecrunch i have stopped caring
16:37 --- popecrunch has banned *!*@synIRC-F0C7577F.lightspeed.knvltn.sbcglobal.net
16:37 Erasmus An KikiMofo, which bit did you figure out?
16:37 boot_error Skunkrocker: thanks for exploding yourself.
16:38 KikiMofo The coil. I thought coils meant wires
16:38 Peace This is not semantics.
16:38 Readster aw man I was gunna do that
16:38 Erasmus Heh
16:38 *** Skunkrocker was kicked by popecrunch (Please do not come back unless you have ceased being a massive anus.)
16:38 !!! You have been kicked from #goonstation