08-26-2014, 08:22 AM
popecrunch Wrote:How would you like an admin to handle a case where Eddie points at something and says 'that's creepy' and Frances points at it and says 'that's totally not'?Is Eddie the victim?
If he is, then it might be a good idea to tell the perpetrator to chill a bit while getting some second opinions on whether or not it's creepy, then move from there.
Is Frances the victim?
Then it could be said that there's no real harm done, unless the kind of stuff taking place is of the magnitude that ghosts / onlookers might actually be offended by seeing it.
Getting second opinions would be important if the admin themselves feel like it's ambiguous enough that Eddie's and Frances' differing opinions weigh into the case.
At the same time, a higher value should be placed on the victim's opinion than that of an independent third party and especially that of the perpetrator. That being said, if the perceived creepiness is something par for the course like facefarting sans horrible custom emotes, then it doesn't have to be creepy just because Eddie feels that way.
Sundance Wrote:[...]There should be an extra set of rules underneath the above stating that while roleplaying is fine and emoting is fine, goonstation is a lighter-rp server and heavy RP that involves heavy meticulous emotes should be avoided, especially if it's particularly sadistic in nature.
You know, this is where we have to weigh the benefits against the costs. We're not machines operating on some kind of if (gross) {ban()} logic where we need to define each case where gross == true.
This is where we have to use judgement based on context in order to select an appropriate method of dealing with the issue. The issue isn't with people doing heavy rp things on goon with custom emotes, the issue lies with those who take it too far and those people can be told off.
popecrunch Wrote:Sundance Wrote:[...]So let's stick the bolded bit above in the rules page. Anyone else want to chime in? Agree / disagree? It still has the problem of being unspecific and nebulous, but I think that's just the nature of the beast because it's impossible to really nail down.
There should be an extra set of rules underneath the above stating that while roleplaying is fine and emoting is fine, goonstation is a lighter-rp server and heavy RP that involves heavy meticulous emotes should be avoided, especially if it's particularly sadistic in nature.
I disagree with putting this on the rules page for the reason mentioned above. The issue is not with people doing heavy rp stuff on goon (if they pull it off more power to them, etc) but people going too far.
If there is a need to add a clause to the "Creep" section of the rules I think it would be better done as something along the lines of:
The Rules Wrote:Creepiness is also unacceptable. This includes rape jokes, roleplaying sex, sexual harassment/assault, rape or extreme torture. If it involves your genitals, it doesn't belong here. There is absolutely no reason to use the word 'rape' on our servers, in any context, at all, forever. This is neither negotiable nor up for debate.
If the extreme torture clause requires clarification I believe all that should be necessary is a "when in doubt, don't" statement, or even using popecrunch's example as a display of where the line is drawn.

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