Traitor item cost/balance chat

[Captain_Bravo]

Sonic grenades can be made via beaker assemblies or grenade kits. To make people want to choose sonic grenades over the free/better alternative would be very simple. Make them shatter grills too and permanently deafen people. This would mean that you could space people very easily if caught in the blast radius, and if they survive then they've completely messed their hearing and would require treatment.

I disagree here. Sonic grenades are already pretty powerful, the issue isn't that they don't rock. In my opinion, they're just very situational. The earplugs deafen you, you can't use a radio, they're very obvious, and once you start using them you've only got a few left, and you're outed. I don't think the solution is to make them more obvious, I think we need to move in the other direction. Make the earplugs easier to hide, so they don't immediately out you. Maybe even buff the stealth capabilities of the grenades. If they could be used to effectively fool people into thinking there was a vampire on board, like the story someone posted earlier, that would be excellent. I think the best move for traitor items would be to make them more subtle and tricky, instead of buffing them and making even more items into rampage-starters.

Advanced laser gun should be able to have phaser attachments just slapped onto it. A self recharging powerful gun that can be customized? Now we're talking.

This is brilliant, and I'm surprised it wasn't already a thing. Imagine putting a Sniper Mod on the Advanced Laser Gun.

Fake Cleaner Grenade should come as a fake cleaner grenade KIT. It should come with galoshes that can resist space cleaner. ohoho.

I'm pretty sure galoshes can already resist space cleaner.

Artistic Toolbox someone suggested replacing this with a "thorn scroll" for 5 telecystals which would give the chaplain 1 wizard move of his choosing. That would be epic.

I like the idea, but wasn't this already shot down? I dunno if it's really useful to suggest stuff that has already been considered and denied.

Chainsaw should be able to be worn on the bag slot. You should be able to mow down glass and grills without getting shocked, and you should be able to pry open doors.

Sticking the chainsaw between airlock doors, and sawing it open sounds incredible. It should play the sound clip from The Shining, too. "HERE'S JOHNNY!"

Chemistry grenade kit, I don't know, but perhaps it gives out far more vapor at a far wider radius than you could with beaker assemblies?

Honestly, the Chemistry Grenade Kit is already pretty damn powerful. Chlorine-Azide Grenades. Maybe make it cheaper?

Floor Closet needs to be reworked entirely. It should act as a 2-way hole, you place a teleporter beacon somewhere and anything that enters the floor closet is immediately teleported to that beacon. Great for kidnapping.

No offense, but this is kinda dumb. Maybe another traitor item could work like that, I don't know. Honestly, in my opinion the best fix for the floor closet would be active camouflage. If I move a floor closet into maintenance, after about 20-30 seconds the floor tile icon should change to the same as the tile it's on. It would still be immediately obvious when dragging it around, and if someone walks in on you while it's open, you'd be screwed, but it would work wonders for making the item more subtle and useful.

Emp grenades are unique as it's the only thing that can do what it does, yet what it does is pretty damn useless. Mo Zi suggested in a thread that it should be far more subtle, and I would agree. Remove the sparkly effects, someone activating an emp grenade should not be noticed whatsoever bar the nade in his hand.

Make EMP grenades act like hitting something with an emag. Twice. Now you can chunk grenades around not just to disable cameras and fuck with cameras, but also to fuck open doors, to crack locks in the armory, etc. Build a pack of securitrons, and stuck a box with a moustrap/EMP grenade in the middle of them.

Cloaking device needs a nerf. It should work like the radbow, self recharging. 30 seconds invisable time, 2 minutes recharge time (variable depending on byond)

Uggghhh, holy shit how many fucking times has this been suggested? A dozen? Two dozen? I don't even give a shit what happens with the cloak, I'm just tired of people suggesting the exact same thing over and over. 2/10, did not like.


Everything else I either agree with, or have no opinion on.