Goonhub
01-07-2026, 04:19 AM
My biggest concerns with this are pretty simple:
(1) Fifteen minutes is kinda short, and I'd be more for a 20 minute interval since that keeps the major defects as the big annoyance instead of four minor defects and a major one that can be an actual issue. (Maybe worth splitting some of the defects into a medium category that this can proc instead? The puritan defect argument on this is a valid point)
(2) As earthfire said, a little yellow/orange flashing light to signal that the disk has a minor/major defect risk would be almost required to keep track of this in any capacity beyond a single doctor writing down the exact time everyone got scanned on a clipboard (On second thought perhaps this is funny albeit gameplay wise worse)
On the positive side:
(1) People are more likely to check up on their scans and give the commonly underwhelmed medbay a little trickle of things to do, while also making it something that's very easy to push aside at the first hurdle to conveniently doing it.
(2) Being in the camp of Make Killing People Deadlier, this does mean that even if you devise the perfect counter (a prescan), to an antag's masterful trap, instantly countering ANY move they could pull on you directly, you might face consequences if the antag actually took the time to have an engaging fight or trap, and lets insta kill rampage victims be revived with minimal defects.
Semi-related but I think it'd be neat if there was a way to get special disks (QM maybe?) that have an extra 10 minute buffer for jobs that might want that, but that'd be an after this gets merged changed. Would just be neat I feel as an item with actual value QM can provide.
As for a lot of the arguments against it...
Honestly there's not a lot of real ones being made I'll say. Sure there's a lot of people arguing against the idea of punishing prescans but like. A lot of people are just straight up overexaggerating what this is gonna do. Like the chances of anyone hitting that 1 hour prescan defect (the only one that matters) are very low. Minor defects are simply not a big enough problem for them to be a part of this discussion (and basically excluding classic from this since there's almost 0 chance you'll have an hour old prescan). Saying this makes prescans useless is being facetious since I'm of the opinion that even if all they did is drop a brain they'd STILL be worthwhile considering monkey-cloning/borging exist. At the absolute, worse case scenario, an RP player will hit the puritan major defect after forgetting they even had a prescan and drop their brain for borging at 30 minutes to shuttle.
Don't like being the one to do it but it really does need pointed out that people are just being way more hostile to the PR without giving any actual look at it. The number of just blatantly incorrect things said is appalling and makes me second guess how many people actually read the PR, or how dramatically it got changed from its original inception that I'm just not seeing reflected in the discussion maybe due to people just assuming it's exactly the same as it orginally was without double checking. It also makes sifting out the actual valid criticism from the blatant antagonism an extra chore that really shouldnt be needed. That's also ignoring the fact it directly hurts the chances of any improvements being made to potential issues with this as it obfuscates it, not even considering it's absolutely got to be even worse for Glowbold as the one actually making it.
(1) Fifteen minutes is kinda short, and I'd be more for a 20 minute interval since that keeps the major defects as the big annoyance instead of four minor defects and a major one that can be an actual issue. (Maybe worth splitting some of the defects into a medium category that this can proc instead? The puritan defect argument on this is a valid point)
(2) As earthfire said, a little yellow/orange flashing light to signal that the disk has a minor/major defect risk would be almost required to keep track of this in any capacity beyond a single doctor writing down the exact time everyone got scanned on a clipboard (On second thought perhaps this is funny albeit gameplay wise worse)
On the positive side:
(1) People are more likely to check up on their scans and give the commonly underwhelmed medbay a little trickle of things to do, while also making it something that's very easy to push aside at the first hurdle to conveniently doing it.
(2) Being in the camp of Make Killing People Deadlier, this does mean that even if you devise the perfect counter (a prescan), to an antag's masterful trap, instantly countering ANY move they could pull on you directly, you might face consequences if the antag actually took the time to have an engaging fight or trap, and lets insta kill rampage victims be revived with minimal defects.
Semi-related but I think it'd be neat if there was a way to get special disks (QM maybe?) that have an extra 10 minute buffer for jobs that might want that, but that'd be an after this gets merged changed. Would just be neat I feel as an item with actual value QM can provide.
As for a lot of the arguments against it...
Honestly there's not a lot of real ones being made I'll say. Sure there's a lot of people arguing against the idea of punishing prescans but like. A lot of people are just straight up overexaggerating what this is gonna do. Like the chances of anyone hitting that 1 hour prescan defect (the only one that matters) are very low. Minor defects are simply not a big enough problem for them to be a part of this discussion (and basically excluding classic from this since there's almost 0 chance you'll have an hour old prescan). Saying this makes prescans useless is being facetious since I'm of the opinion that even if all they did is drop a brain they'd STILL be worthwhile considering monkey-cloning/borging exist. At the absolute, worse case scenario, an RP player will hit the puritan major defect after forgetting they even had a prescan and drop their brain for borging at 30 minutes to shuttle.
Don't like being the one to do it but it really does need pointed out that people are just being way more hostile to the PR without giving any actual look at it. The number of just blatantly incorrect things said is appalling and makes me second guess how many people actually read the PR, or how dramatically it got changed from its original inception that I'm just not seeing reflected in the discussion maybe due to people just assuming it's exactly the same as it orginally was without double checking. It also makes sifting out the actual valid criticism from the blatant antagonism an extra chore that really shouldnt be needed. That's also ignoring the fact it directly hurts the chances of any improvements being made to potential issues with this as it obfuscates it, not even considering it's absolutely got to be even worse for Glowbold as the one actually making it.