Goonhub
12-27-2025, 07:00 AM
Putting my hat into the situation.
Pure immunity to ANTAGGORY suuuuucks.
Genetics putting immunities on the table against specific things or making people uber robust is something I kinda hate as an antag.
Since if everyone is immune to fire... now all fun fire gimmicks are off the table cause it will just be an "annoyance"
Unless you want to fill the oxygen levels with lots of mutadone so no one has those, but at that point that is too much work just so you can fire bomb.
The REASON we allow Chaplains to be immune to specific antags is because.. the chaplain is a SINGULAR SPAWN and IS NOT SECURITY.
It's a simple civilian with a bonus that only it has. It can also be an antag themselves thus unreliable... It can also be useless in another round and an easy victim.
So let me say a few things about SMES now from a history of SMES-ery.
1: SMES used to give immunity to stun weapons as well. Thus immunity for security weapons/turrets. THIS SUCKED BALLS since now only the detective could do anything about these guys with it's stun bullets (Wich did work). Also sunglasses gave immunity to flashes, any of em. WICH AGAIN.... sucked.
Now imagine every dang grey tider just getting these 2 and security basically couldn't do anything but go lethal on your ass even if you aren't an antag.
This is why there is still a reaction of: "EMPOWERED SMES IN BOOTH! REMOVE IT" happens... even if the immunity is gone.
2: SMES also makes insuls null and void. Wich is fine actually.... it's what SMES is designed to do.
And that's it.. yea just two points.
The reason I do not think the ARCFIEND should be countered by 1 mutation is very simple.... "ARCFIEND DETECTED GET SMES EVERYONE"
However... in my opinion? SMES should allow 2 things actually.
SMES humans give MORE drain for the arcfiend. Thus if they restrain you and drain you.. they get triple as much energy, but IN RETURN. They cannot use their heartstopper on you and you take 75% less damage from electricity from an arcfiend. (They still burn you).
It's a better trade off.... since now it's worth MORE for an arcfiend to hunt you down while being a harder target.
Pure immunity to ANTAGGORY suuuuucks.
Genetics putting immunities on the table against specific things or making people uber robust is something I kinda hate as an antag.
Since if everyone is immune to fire... now all fun fire gimmicks are off the table cause it will just be an "annoyance"
Unless you want to fill the oxygen levels with lots of mutadone so no one has those, but at that point that is too much work just so you can fire bomb.
The REASON we allow Chaplains to be immune to specific antags is because.. the chaplain is a SINGULAR SPAWN and IS NOT SECURITY.
It's a simple civilian with a bonus that only it has. It can also be an antag themselves thus unreliable... It can also be useless in another round and an easy victim.
So let me say a few things about SMES now from a history of SMES-ery.
1: SMES used to give immunity to stun weapons as well. Thus immunity for security weapons/turrets. THIS SUCKED BALLS since now only the detective could do anything about these guys with it's stun bullets (Wich did work). Also sunglasses gave immunity to flashes, any of em. WICH AGAIN.... sucked.
Now imagine every dang grey tider just getting these 2 and security basically couldn't do anything but go lethal on your ass even if you aren't an antag.
This is why there is still a reaction of: "EMPOWERED SMES IN BOOTH! REMOVE IT" happens... even if the immunity is gone.
2: SMES also makes insuls null and void. Wich is fine actually.... it's what SMES is designed to do.
And that's it.. yea just two points.
The reason I do not think the ARCFIEND should be countered by 1 mutation is very simple.... "ARCFIEND DETECTED GET SMES EVERYONE"
However... in my opinion? SMES should allow 2 things actually.
SMES humans give MORE drain for the arcfiend. Thus if they restrain you and drain you.. they get triple as much energy, but IN RETURN. They cannot use their heartstopper on you and you take 75% less damage from electricity from an arcfiend. (They still burn you).
It's a better trade off.... since now it's worth MORE for an arcfiend to hunt you down while being a harder target.