Goonhub
Yesterday, 09:58 AM
(This post was last modified: Yesterday, 09:59 AM by Glamurio. Edited 1 time in total.)
Repeating basically what I said in Discord:
Immediate concern here is that the main reason people don't use forklifts or belt hells is because those tend to be extremely inconvenient ways of transporting items, primarily because of their location. So my prediction is that if you make it slower to pull crates, people will still pull crates but just be more annoyed by how slow it is, rather than use other options. The real reason people drag crates instead of use mules isn't because it's easy to drag crates, it's because mules are hard to use.
The cargo transporter was a band-aid fix that was added precisely because the existing means of transport are so clunky, unreliable or hard to use that they're nigh-unusable to the layman. I don't see a world where anyone will bother transporting any sort of crate manually when they have one of those handy, so part of this change would have to be the removal or rework of those.
That being said, I'm not against making dragging crates more cumbersome, it just has to happen alongside a rework of existing mechanics of transport, I'd like to see a MULE refactor that makes it consistent, ensuring proper pathing, and being able to place custom pathfinding locations. More than anything though, it needs to have an easy to use clickable interface, nothing that's buried in a PDA. Of course that will only help for QM, but crates are used plenty elsewhere, so perhaps we can workshop a sort of "delivery service" mode that has MULEs come and pick up a crate and deliver it elsewhere.
Forklifts are also a cool idea, but these aren't widely available on the majority of maps, and suffer from some other jank too.
Immediate concern here is that the main reason people don't use forklifts or belt hells is because those tend to be extremely inconvenient ways of transporting items, primarily because of their location. So my prediction is that if you make it slower to pull crates, people will still pull crates but just be more annoyed by how slow it is, rather than use other options. The real reason people drag crates instead of use mules isn't because it's easy to drag crates, it's because mules are hard to use.
The cargo transporter was a band-aid fix that was added precisely because the existing means of transport are so clunky, unreliable or hard to use that they're nigh-unusable to the layman. I don't see a world where anyone will bother transporting any sort of crate manually when they have one of those handy, so part of this change would have to be the removal or rework of those.
That being said, I'm not against making dragging crates more cumbersome, it just has to happen alongside a rework of existing mechanics of transport, I'd like to see a MULE refactor that makes it consistent, ensuring proper pathing, and being able to place custom pathfinding locations. More than anything though, it needs to have an easy to use clickable interface, nothing that's buried in a PDA. Of course that will only help for QM, but crates are used plenty elsewhere, so perhaps we can workshop a sort of "delivery service" mode that has MULEs come and pick up a crate and deliver it elsewhere.
Forklifts are also a cool idea, but these aren't widely available on the majority of maps, and suffer from some other jank too.