04-24-2025, 08:54 AM
(04-04-2025, 08:20 AM)xenomni Wrote:thanks for the reply. I hear this and took a bit of time to think about it because it's fair feedback and highlights that ahelping is still absolutely there for this or other situations you're just not sure. The thread in general has been a really good one to read and I'm glad people have been giving feedback on it or any PR.(04-04-2025, 02:58 AM)Lefinch Wrote: if you're getting confused about interpreting three ion laws, how do you handle ion storms/crew adding laws? Even one (and sometimes its more than one) can introduce multiple law-logic conflicts that are complex. What do you do there that doesn't work for this?That would be rules lawyering/discussion within robot chat with other cyborgs and the AI, as well as sometimes ahelping if its particularly confusing but- the question is what is done there that doesn't work here and the answer is collaborative rules lawyering. In character discussion with other cyborgs/AI about what the law is can and does help others understand how something works. Something someone wasn't quite sure on can be easily understood due to collaborative discussion.
I still have some issue resolving this explanation. While I love the law interpretation club I think its important for anyone playing borg to actually be able to make their own judgement on their laws. They're playing their cyborg or AI, it's not someone else. There are going to be times before and after this PR where someone is operating on laws but can't discuss them with anyone else and they will have to make some personal decisions on it. That's always been true: Being law linked to a different law frame, when its lowpop and its just them playing, or a law change that has a fairly rapid impact that they don't have a huge amount of time to discuss first, and other times.
Again I'm drawn back to: I don't quite follow if this was a huge problem before what people were doing. If anything, relying solely on that collaborative discussion while fun also feels like a bit of a trap in itself: it becomes a consensus argument rather than letting things develop in an individual way. But perhaps it's down to a personal take and I fully accept that it might just be people prefer the consensus, which is also fine. I love chatting and debating the impacts of a law, but very much at the end of the day how that particular borg or AI interprets a law or law conflict might be very different from what I do, and I think that added layer of chaos is good. When we talk about consistency in for example the wiki guides, that for me is focused more on personal consistency. If say I as an AI decide to interpret a law conflict differently that's fine, but I also need to be personally consistent about it. I think that's still true regardless of this PR and it's a still a part of my confusion on this particular point. It might honestly just come down to a difference of opinion though.