Goonhub
04-14-2025, 05:42 PM
Here's my take, it's lukewarmish but I put it in the microwave for a bit: there's better tools available to facilitate this on both sides right now than bringing miscreants back, which actually from various anecdotes seemed to have a big problem with people not quite getting the concept and just actually being full on antags.
What tools? On one side you have:
Hall monitor: This fairly recent role I feel has a lot of potential for exactly this. You are distinctly separate from main security and in my view are an archtypical busybody built for interacting with low level mischievousness. If someone's doing something in the grey area, the hall monitor is -right- there and not really supposed (again in my view, and I'll die on this hill for saying I really think separating it as much as possible from actual security is good for exactly this reason) to be chasing down the antag except giving them a ticket for double-parking in the hallways.
Tickets & fines: I think this is partly why they're here: It's a visible token that yes, you've been a little scamp, and frankly its more interesting to look back on goonhub and see what ludicrous reasons you've been given a ticket or fine over "Yeah I got brigged this round" I like seeing what tickets people get post-round and I think this is a good level for those "grey area" crimes. They don't absorb too much time but they're still a tacit acknowledgement of your roleplay.
On the other: You can just be a funny little problem and still follow the rules. I know a few players who play characters specifically for this purpose really well. If security isn't paying attention all the better an opportunity for you to act. Upsilonyellow's Redd character is a random example: A lawyer guy who when there's downtime between cases has plenty of side gigs: selling dodgy insurance to people, pestering medbay for nanomedbay chasing that sort of thing. I've seen mimes prank steal invisible items from people, I've done a few less notable bits myself.
I do see security myself on the RP servers arrest people, but I'll be honest: a lot of the time it's for people who are, in my opinion: crossing a line between miscreantism and just self-antagging. I think it's important here to state my personal belief that actually if you're doing things that are resulting in being brigged at a time where it's not extended mode, it might be something I'd end up actually ahelping myself as you're genuinely absorbing time from antags.
That's the thing, it's a game where there's limited people ending up as the genuine bad guys and a limited pool of people whose role is specifically to deal with that, and I don't think it's a bad thing that this is generally how it works, and I think we've got tools for people who want to be a bit unscrupulous but not cross over that line, it's more just about making use of them.
What tools? On one side you have:
Hall monitor: This fairly recent role I feel has a lot of potential for exactly this. You are distinctly separate from main security and in my view are an archtypical busybody built for interacting with low level mischievousness. If someone's doing something in the grey area, the hall monitor is -right- there and not really supposed (again in my view, and I'll die on this hill for saying I really think separating it as much as possible from actual security is good for exactly this reason) to be chasing down the antag except giving them a ticket for double-parking in the hallways.
Tickets & fines: I think this is partly why they're here: It's a visible token that yes, you've been a little scamp, and frankly its more interesting to look back on goonhub and see what ludicrous reasons you've been given a ticket or fine over "Yeah I got brigged this round" I like seeing what tickets people get post-round and I think this is a good level for those "grey area" crimes. They don't absorb too much time but they're still a tacit acknowledgement of your roleplay.
On the other: You can just be a funny little problem and still follow the rules. I know a few players who play characters specifically for this purpose really well. If security isn't paying attention all the better an opportunity for you to act. Upsilonyellow's Redd character is a random example: A lawyer guy who when there's downtime between cases has plenty of side gigs: selling dodgy insurance to people, pestering medbay for nanomedbay chasing that sort of thing. I've seen mimes prank steal invisible items from people, I've done a few less notable bits myself.
I do see security myself on the RP servers arrest people, but I'll be honest: a lot of the time it's for people who are, in my opinion: crossing a line between miscreantism and just self-antagging. I think it's important here to state my personal belief that actually if you're doing things that are resulting in being brigged at a time where it's not extended mode, it might be something I'd end up actually ahelping myself as you're genuinely absorbing time from antags.
That's the thing, it's a game where there's limited people ending up as the genuine bad guys and a limited pool of people whose role is specifically to deal with that, and I don't think it's a bad thing that this is generally how it works, and I think we've got tools for people who want to be a bit unscrupulous but not cross over that line, it's more just about making use of them.