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Feedback on the EMAGed Borg Rework
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(04-07-2025, 07:04 PM)JORJ949 Wrote: I feel like the above has two main points
- The traitor did not escalate emagging you
- Security before this change would not immediately destroy you for repairing if you were emagged
Neither of which are caused by this PR, but instead with the current way emagging a borg is treated.

Though if escalating an emagging is an issue you could only allow emagging a borg if it is currently open, this way you need to have a borg cooperate with you for example by saying you have a better powercell for them and if they just open up you can swap it out.

That is the thing, by currently having a borg be emagged by simply walking up and clicking on them it feels very punishing to a borg who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Id 100% agree if we could have emagging require opening up it would make this situation feel a bit better regardless of if we go back to emags setting borgs to lawless or the 3 ion laws because I find that more cases than not traitors who have emags and intend to use them on borgs hardly say anything, at least requiring the borg to open means that you'd need to convince them (if not straight up order them) to open up and make them vulnerable. hell it would also encourage the antag to use there job to make the borg open up, Science artcells. Botany the potato batteries. Mining maybe you opened a box and got a ceren cell. or hell even engineering making the custom batteries. all of this could be roleplayed out to convince a borg to open up and be vulnerable which sounds sick and interesting especially in a RP sitting. so even though this PR isn't about the act of emagging I 100% agree I would like to see something like maybe this show up.

My main point of posting about how awful the round felt was currently you get hit with 3 ion laws. which sure can either be tame or outright tedious but in that round I was only 1 borg and I rolled 2 laws that required I commit human harm right at the end of round which when security has been dealing or is actively dealing with antag and is already on edge, its a death sentence and just feels really not healthy for the game as a whole, I feel its gonna push away people that are interested in playing a borg with laws because say someone with a emag just walked past and your just unlucky and told that blood is bad for humans. Like try as you might more times than not your just gonna be destroyed and then your stuck at the mercy of praying that your brain gets taken to robotics where I've personally seen people who hold grudges just destroy the brain entirely ending your round. and with there being no way (at least from what I've seen) for the crew to Verify that what you claim your laws are, they will just assume you are either lying or griefing. which I feel will result in people destroying you permanently. so on the PR id like there to maybe be a device that either robotics can make. or installed into security pda's to "connect" to the borg and see the laws maybe also requiring the borg open up. (kind of how the law rack linker does)

I know some others have talked about it but having it be 3 ion laws feels, a lot. id even be more happy seeing emagging a borg result in 1 of the 3 default laws corrupt like how ion storm laws occur but it only apply to that borg. so that you are still broken but are still on the basis of at least either law 1, or law 2 working correctly. (or both if it was law 3 corrupted) like I'm not sure how this would end up feeling and I'd like to see a PR test with maybe that idea for a week or 2 to see how it feels in game. The other option I thought could be a little less overwhelming and less likely to roll a human harm law would be to make the emag clear all laws but give you only 1 Ion law. with that you immediately reduce the likely hood of a borg just harming due to the fact your not rolling 3 ion laws and it really allows you to lean hard on the law you were given like if its the Fruit and Veg protocol you are told its to make humans healthier so you wouldn't immediately kill the humans cause your trying to make them healthier and you insist on making them eat the produce and if they refuse then you try other methods like blocking a hallway and doing a mandatory fruit intake booth. or hell anything, and you can lean hard on it not worrying about other laws you may have got. If you happen to also get one of the harming laws then you can lean hard into it too, like again as I got blood is healthier on the outside of the body. Maybe you go to a area of the station claim its your medical office and you Cut them once to allow them to bleed but you Wouldn't just start killing them cause again your trying to make them healthier. (again I think that just 1 law really opens the idea up and allows for unique situations while 3 laws just creates chaos and probably a lot of issues)

oh and to make a comment on the fact security would break you regardless, yeah that's gonna be a issue in the game unless there become a better non destructive method to deactivate a corrupted borg. I think I had mentioned that id like to see a small buff to what the lockdown can do to borgs cause currently its not utilized. I don't think I've ever encountered a AI or Command that has lock downed a borg instead of just kill switching it. maybe that can be a thought for another update and less so about this PR but for my own mind the only thing I can think of is maybe a weapon or tool that either security or command have that allows for them to remotely lockdown said borg. means if the law rack gets attacked and changed, command and sec can deploy these lock downs to stop borgs, and add counter play for the AI to open the computer and unlock them down. (Idk I'm not sold on that idea but throwing it out for thought) Though thanks for mentioning that stuff cause I did wanna mention that too ^u^
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RE: Feedback on the EMAGed Borg Rework - by RSOD - 04-08-2025, 01:15 PM
RE: Feedback on the EMAGed Borg Rework - by ProphetOConnor - 04-08-2025, 07:28 AM

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