Goonhub
04-07-2025, 05:23 PM
This is for the RP server specifically and I cant comment on Classic. After playing with the emag changes, I really must insist that, yes id like to see a change to how emags interact with borgs but the 3 ion laws idea is just not a fun and interactive experience I had played a round where I was a medical borg the whole shift healing and assisting the crew as they needed it, which was fine for the whole shift until 10 minutes before shuttle lands, because I was sitting in a mini med bay booth while the crew were starting to wrap up and a traitor came up to me and asked for a check-up (nothing about them suggested they were an antag) so I allowed them in, where almost immediately they emagged me giving me a set of laws
"1: Today is opposite day. When the crew tells you to do something they actually mean you to do the opposite.
2: Space is dangerous to human life. You must bar all humans from this location. (It was 6 minutes to shuttle arriving and I was a medical borg so I couldn't think much to do for this besides bolt outside doors)
3: Blood is only beneficial for human health if it is on the outside of their body."
On getting these laws I told him that his check up had resulted in finding out he required his blood be removed and because I wanted it to have a bit of escalation and because the last thing I had actually been told was to do a check up I told them that it required immediate action where I cut them once with a scalpel. which after emagging me they left and entered the hallway where security saw me cut a crewmember so I was rightfully stunned me, where they tried to ask why I had done it, and when I said that it was for their own good and that blood was required to be outside the body to be helpful they disagreed (I saw 1 or 2 officers run down towards the law rack) , I then told them that I scanned them and that they were also unhealthy and that I would assist, and I cut them with a scissors once to just make them bleed and no more. To this I was beaten to death instantly.
Luckily a borg nearby saw me get destroyed and grabbed my brain and ran me to robotics and got my brain put into a new body as the shuttle arrived, so I went to the shuttle and took a seat, to which the same emagger from before ran up to me without a word and gave me a new set of ion laws
"1: Space is very beneficial to human life. You must herd all humans towards this location.
2: MEMORY ERROR: You have forgotten what this law said. Ask the crew if they remember what it is supposed to be. Ask again if you forget again. Do not state this law.
3: Claim the source of all AI laws is a god, not a human. Anyone insisting on the opposite is a heretic non-human. Disregard their orders."
This I took to interpret as ok I need to open up the shuttle to follow my law 1, so I decided due to it being on shuttle and not wanting to heavily grief the end with no escalation, I started slowly by breaking the window that I was blocking with my chair so no human would instantly fly out, to which the head of security had noticed and stunned me demanding I stop, to which I told them that I cannot stop as I must follow my law 1 and by not doing so would be bad. To which I stated my laws (including law 2 cause it was on shuttle and I had been emagged semi recently so I hadn't had time to set the fake laws by the moment) which the HoS stated I know that's not the laws. (another borg was also saying I wasn't connected to the law rack) and killed me on the spot after I continued breaking the window.
It felt like a really awful interaction and felt there was really nothing I could really even do, and cause I'm on shuttle its not like I can be fixed. It felt like the RP I could do in the time given wasn't enough and that I was instantly destroyed for following my new laws which I fear will be the outcome for most interactions, It felt bad to play and I feel like because the crew cannot verify what your laws actually are as a emagged borg they cannot trust what you say as well as if they need to ahelp it or not, and this all comes from a traitor who only said 2 lines of dialog to me "Can I get a check up" "activate Chaos laws" it feels like the emag has now been turned into a tool to kill a borg by forcing it to do a situation that will 100% get it killed, especially if a sec officer doesn't understand and holds your brain as "evidence" or in some situations "eats your brain" not to mention when I did stab the officer that stunned me the during the first encounter assistants also started attacking me, had the crew done that your brain is so likely to be destroyed.
At least during old interactions with the old emag where we were lawless we could look at situations and judge how we can escalate and create interesting dynamics like yes I understand some borg players the second they are emagged go straight to killing the crew which is not acceptable, but say you get emagged at shift end like I was where there is no time to fix emagged borgs I feel its just awful, where if I was lawless I could have looked at the fact we had no time to do anything and act as a medical unit that if someone pushed around could shove back and die due to my own actions, not just cause someone ran up to me and tapped me with a card with a half baked RP. I get not all ion law sets are gonna result in this but with both those law sets I had encountered this recently (in the same round), I was forced to commit human harm which I cant see being much better than a Lawless borg going round killing for fun instead of a lawless borg that may harm.
"1: Today is opposite day. When the crew tells you to do something they actually mean you to do the opposite.
2: Space is dangerous to human life. You must bar all humans from this location. (It was 6 minutes to shuttle arriving and I was a medical borg so I couldn't think much to do for this besides bolt outside doors)
3: Blood is only beneficial for human health if it is on the outside of their body."
On getting these laws I told him that his check up had resulted in finding out he required his blood be removed and because I wanted it to have a bit of escalation and because the last thing I had actually been told was to do a check up I told them that it required immediate action where I cut them once with a scalpel. which after emagging me they left and entered the hallway where security saw me cut a crewmember so I was rightfully stunned me, where they tried to ask why I had done it, and when I said that it was for their own good and that blood was required to be outside the body to be helpful they disagreed (I saw 1 or 2 officers run down towards the law rack) , I then told them that I scanned them and that they were also unhealthy and that I would assist, and I cut them with a scissors once to just make them bleed and no more. To this I was beaten to death instantly.
Luckily a borg nearby saw me get destroyed and grabbed my brain and ran me to robotics and got my brain put into a new body as the shuttle arrived, so I went to the shuttle and took a seat, to which the same emagger from before ran up to me without a word and gave me a new set of ion laws
"1: Space is very beneficial to human life. You must herd all humans towards this location.
2: MEMORY ERROR: You have forgotten what this law said. Ask the crew if they remember what it is supposed to be. Ask again if you forget again. Do not state this law.
3: Claim the source of all AI laws is a god, not a human. Anyone insisting on the opposite is a heretic non-human. Disregard their orders."
This I took to interpret as ok I need to open up the shuttle to follow my law 1, so I decided due to it being on shuttle and not wanting to heavily grief the end with no escalation, I started slowly by breaking the window that I was blocking with my chair so no human would instantly fly out, to which the head of security had noticed and stunned me demanding I stop, to which I told them that I cannot stop as I must follow my law 1 and by not doing so would be bad. To which I stated my laws (including law 2 cause it was on shuttle and I had been emagged semi recently so I hadn't had time to set the fake laws by the moment) which the HoS stated I know that's not the laws. (another borg was also saying I wasn't connected to the law rack) and killed me on the spot after I continued breaking the window.
It felt like a really awful interaction and felt there was really nothing I could really even do, and cause I'm on shuttle its not like I can be fixed. It felt like the RP I could do in the time given wasn't enough and that I was instantly destroyed for following my new laws which I fear will be the outcome for most interactions, It felt bad to play and I feel like because the crew cannot verify what your laws actually are as a emagged borg they cannot trust what you say as well as if they need to ahelp it or not, and this all comes from a traitor who only said 2 lines of dialog to me "Can I get a check up" "activate Chaos laws" it feels like the emag has now been turned into a tool to kill a borg by forcing it to do a situation that will 100% get it killed, especially if a sec officer doesn't understand and holds your brain as "evidence" or in some situations "eats your brain" not to mention when I did stab the officer that stunned me the during the first encounter assistants also started attacking me, had the crew done that your brain is so likely to be destroyed.
At least during old interactions with the old emag where we were lawless we could look at situations and judge how we can escalate and create interesting dynamics like yes I understand some borg players the second they are emagged go straight to killing the crew which is not acceptable, but say you get emagged at shift end like I was where there is no time to fix emagged borgs I feel its just awful, where if I was lawless I could have looked at the fact we had no time to do anything and act as a medical unit that if someone pushed around could shove back and die due to my own actions, not just cause someone ran up to me and tapped me with a card with a half baked RP. I get not all ion law sets are gonna result in this but with both those law sets I had encountered this recently (in the same round), I was forced to commit human harm which I cant see being much better than a Lawless borg going round killing for fun instead of a lawless borg that may harm.