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HELP: You: "Please don't just run around silently stinging people all shift as a changeling on RP. I know it's not that harmful but it's still not really roleplay." - from Leah, earlier. This is an incredible misrepresentation of what occured; I spent the round specifically stinging security and heads of staff(captain, HoS) looking for opportunities to eat while talking and roleplaying normally and was absolutely not silent. If you look at the round (which occursed around 5AM) you can see I was constantly talking with people and roleplaying my heart out; I was simply not making myself blatantly obvious. I did sting people late in the round that weren't those roles *to make myself more obvious*, not to be a random offender. I then recieved massive negative feedback in rp-chat including accusations of rulebreaking based on this gameplay, and including this note; which is entirely misrepresentitive of the case. I do not want to bring this to admin feedback, but I strongly wish that you would look at the round in question and reconsider this feedback on my round. I feel like in rp-chat at that time my play recieved an incredible amount of chilling effect negativity for simply being successful stealth play, and I've recieved similar feedback before. If stealth is meant to not be a role on RP, I would strongly suggest clarifying the escalation rules and removing some gear, particularly things like sleepy pens, as they are impossible to work with under conditions where "escalation" is truly "required to say multiple aggressive lines to anyone you consider utilizing an aggressive movement towards" as opposed to "roleplaying well towards that person but in a non-aggressive manner towards a role that is suitable to be assaulting such as security/command before assaulting them.".
HELP: You: Also, sorry if I come on strong on this, but I have *literally* spent all morning getting over the negativity and came online to that admin feedback that seems to have been a "well recieved an admin help about this person better slap them" without realizing they were a former admin that is really trying their best to follow rules and then some.
Hi Sage, I know you were talking to people during the round because contrary to what you assume I did read the logs. The issue is that you were just (as far as I saw) playing as a normal crewmember the entire round aside from randomly stinging people. Stealth is fine as long it leads to something or has a point to it or otherwise contributes to the round in any way other than medbay filling people with charcoal over and over. This is how we've enforced "escalation" rules on RP for a while and being a former admin doesn't exempt you from that.
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So, firstly, as I replied before making this thread; obviously the point here was nothing to do with trying to pull sway as a former admin to pull something I "shouldn't" and I'm horribly offended and this escalated something that *already* has gotten me incredibly upset and, yeah, this is "oh *wow* did I make a mistake coming back" levels, but let's back up a bit already and talk about this.
First off, the crux of this complaint seems to be... that I'm violating... what rule or RPing exactly? Escalation? But as I pointed out (and commented before going to make this post; I didn't copy out my last answer, but I'm sure Leah has it), stealth naturally occurs best when you're utilizing a weapon without showing your hand; why even *have* stealth on *RP* if you're going to say "well all poisons are bad because they just fill medbay over and over"? Why have anything because it just fills medbay over and over, after all? That's what all the damage does, right?
The complaint fundamentally was that I didn't make it easy to identify me as an antagonist; *that* is the crux of this, and therefore that stealth is undesireable. And you know, fair enough! I can see saying that's against the spirit of RP! *But it's not against any rules and should be something an admin should be looking at changing the rules for, not passing down admin comments on.* And no, that is *not* what the escalation rule says; it says this;
"Escalate through roleplay before attacking other players. The goal of the roleplay server is character interaction and interesting scenarios. Both crew and antagonists are expected to roleplay escalation before engaging in hostilities. As an antagonist, your goal is to increase, not decrease, roleplay opportunities. Give people a sense of dread, an obvious motive, or some means of roleplaying and reacting, before you harm them. As security, your priority is the crew’s safety and maintaining the peace. You should treat criminals fairly and determine appropriate consequences for their actions. Enemies to Nanotrasen such as confirmed non-human antagonists and open syndicate members may be treated harshly."
I was roleplaying constantly, chatting with people, giving as many chances as I could to identify a poisoner as I could by targetting high profile targets and generally being as much of a target as possible *while being a good stealth player!* I was giving a sense of dread, as I watched the HoS lock himself into the security area as half the shuttle *bled*.
Just because you don't like my RP style doesn't mean it's against the rules, and I want this critiqued by other admins-particularly the slam against me for bringing up that, *yes*, I *was* a former admin and *yes*, I do know the rules, *which is why I brought that up and not for goddamn favoritism*.
On reflection, there's actually more to this I find objectionable, even. Why even use an admin system notice on a borderline case when you could have discussed it with me in say Discord, given that it's more of an RP styling preference thing? That would have been a really great discussion and would have been received on my end utterly differently.
If you did look at my round; why come in with "Please don't just run around silently stinging people all shift as a changeling on RP. I know it's not that harmful but it's still not really roleplay."? This is just insanely offensive to someone that's putting any effort into roleplaying at all; there's no possible way they won't be offended. What on earth?
HELP: You: Also, sorry if I come on strong on this, but I have *literally* spent all morning getting over the negativity and came online to that admin feedback that seems to have been a "well recieved an admin help about this person better slap them" without realizing they were a former admin that is really trying their best to follow rules and then some.
Hi Sage, I know you were talking to people during the round because contrary to what you assume I did read the logs. The issue is that you were just (as far as I saw) playing as a normal crewmember the entire round aside from randomly stinging people. Stealth is fine as long it leads to something or has a point to it or otherwise contributes to the round in any way other than medbay filling people with charcoal over and over. This is how we've enforced "escalation" rules on RP for a while and being a former admin doesn't exempt you from that.
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So, firstly, as I replied before making this thread; obviously the point here was nothing to do with trying to pull sway as a former admin to pull something I "shouldn't" and I'm horribly offended and this escalated something that *already* has gotten me incredibly upset and, yeah, this is "oh *wow* did I make a mistake coming back" levels, but let's back up a bit already and talk about this.
First off, the crux of this complaint seems to be... that I'm violating... what rule or RPing exactly? Escalation? But as I pointed out (and commented before going to make this post; I didn't copy out my last answer, but I'm sure Leah has it), stealth naturally occurs best when you're utilizing a weapon without showing your hand; why even *have* stealth on *RP* if you're going to say "well all poisons are bad because they just fill medbay over and over"? Why have anything because it just fills medbay over and over, after all? That's what all the damage does, right?
The complaint fundamentally was that I didn't make it easy to identify me as an antagonist; *that* is the crux of this, and therefore that stealth is undesireable. And you know, fair enough! I can see saying that's against the spirit of RP! *But it's not against any rules and should be something an admin should be looking at changing the rules for, not passing down admin comments on.* And no, that is *not* what the escalation rule says; it says this;
"Escalate through roleplay before attacking other players. The goal of the roleplay server is character interaction and interesting scenarios. Both crew and antagonists are expected to roleplay escalation before engaging in hostilities. As an antagonist, your goal is to increase, not decrease, roleplay opportunities. Give people a sense of dread, an obvious motive, or some means of roleplaying and reacting, before you harm them. As security, your priority is the crew’s safety and maintaining the peace. You should treat criminals fairly and determine appropriate consequences for their actions. Enemies to Nanotrasen such as confirmed non-human antagonists and open syndicate members may be treated harshly."
I was roleplaying constantly, chatting with people, giving as many chances as I could to identify a poisoner as I could by targetting high profile targets and generally being as much of a target as possible *while being a good stealth player!* I was giving a sense of dread, as I watched the HoS lock himself into the security area as half the shuttle *bled*.
Just because you don't like my RP style doesn't mean it's against the rules, and I want this critiqued by other admins-particularly the slam against me for bringing up that, *yes*, I *was* a former admin and *yes*, I do know the rules, *which is why I brought that up and not for goddamn favoritism*.
On reflection, there's actually more to this I find objectionable, even. Why even use an admin system notice on a borderline case when you could have discussed it with me in say Discord, given that it's more of an RP styling preference thing? That would have been a really great discussion and would have been received on my end utterly differently.
If you did look at my round; why come in with "Please don't just run around silently stinging people all shift as a changeling on RP. I know it's not that harmful but it's still not really roleplay."? This is just insanely offensive to someone that's putting any effort into roleplaying at all; there's no possible way they won't be offended. What on earth?