Goonhub
12-27-2024, 05:14 AM
I'm fine with the PR but hear me out:
The reasons I like this PR: I think that having a big red button top left socially trains security to make use of that button proactively. The way alerts are non-specific and Security meaning ANY alert is high-priority naturally leads to a strong response (because unlike a janitorial alert, letting someone else respond to it doesn't usually mean more violence and death. usually) which if removed, and this is the really important part: -slightly- reduces training that mentality in from a UI perspective.
That sounds a lot like: I think this will help reduce security deathballs. However, I would argue it's far more nuanced than that. Earthfire has pointed out there's plenty of other methods to provide a the exact same thing. I'll be honest as an AI player I've sat there as an eye-in-the sky and hit that alert before anyone else could (though generally this is more for big gang kickoffs or public violence. Personally try and avoid scuppering stealth takedowns where possible)
I do not think this PR will, if it's a problem, stop security in any way deathballing. I think it's one less direct route to that, but that (again if it's a problem) sounds like something that's probably got more reasons for happening, and probably needs to be looked at beyond the scope of this PR.
However however, to be annoying I have to also say I don't -really- see a problem with security response, at least on RP. The way security responds is already factored in and exploitable: False alerts, signal jams. Getting the AI on-side and getting them to send some false alerts. If Security will chase after imaginary ghosts all at once I believe that to be a socially-exploitable aspect. I also believe that if someone's absolutely intent to making sure I have no chance as an antag: That's going to be a them problem that they'll probably find a way around, and the actual issue to address there is their behaviour, not the mechanisms that enable it.
So in disagreeing unhelpfully with everyone, I manage to say I both like the PR, disagree with why people say they like the PR, and to top it off say that the problem people are stating as their reason to like the PR sounds like a problem to address, while disagreeing that is is a problem. I swear I didn't mean to punch everyone in the toe here I just wanted to read a PR.
The reasons I like this PR: I think that having a big red button top left socially trains security to make use of that button proactively. The way alerts are non-specific and Security meaning ANY alert is high-priority naturally leads to a strong response (because unlike a janitorial alert, letting someone else respond to it doesn't usually mean more violence and death. usually) which if removed, and this is the really important part: -slightly- reduces training that mentality in from a UI perspective.
That sounds a lot like: I think this will help reduce security deathballs. However, I would argue it's far more nuanced than that. Earthfire has pointed out there's plenty of other methods to provide a the exact same thing. I'll be honest as an AI player I've sat there as an eye-in-the sky and hit that alert before anyone else could (though generally this is more for big gang kickoffs or public violence. Personally try and avoid scuppering stealth takedowns where possible)
I do not think this PR will, if it's a problem, stop security in any way deathballing. I think it's one less direct route to that, but that (again if it's a problem) sounds like something that's probably got more reasons for happening, and probably needs to be looked at beyond the scope of this PR.
However however, to be annoying I have to also say I don't -really- see a problem with security response, at least on RP. The way security responds is already factored in and exploitable: False alerts, signal jams. Getting the AI on-side and getting them to send some false alerts. If Security will chase after imaginary ghosts all at once I believe that to be a socially-exploitable aspect. I also believe that if someone's absolutely intent to making sure I have no chance as an antag: That's going to be a them problem that they'll probably find a way around, and the actual issue to address there is their behaviour, not the mechanisms that enable it.
So in disagreeing unhelpfully with everyone, I manage to say I both like the PR, disagree with why people say they like the PR, and to top it off say that the problem people are stating as their reason to like the PR sounds like a problem to address, while disagreeing that is is a problem. I swear I didn't mean to punch everyone in the toe here I just wanted to read a PR.