Goonhub
12-21-2024, 04:35 PM
Hi, guy who does exactly this here. I'll succumb for a microbomb. I'd rather not, especially on RP because it cuts short the "Ha ha ha, last laugh guess what I got a surprise for you" moment I actually want. That hollywood "Pull the body over oh no they're beeping everyone duck!" thing that sets the scene, lets you have a laugh evil guy laugh and perish in cinematic (and lethal) fashion.
What actually happens is a natural pathway of people jumping over themselves to heal the slightest papercut. I'm not suggesting we change this, it is an inevitable force of nature in a game of mediborgs and doctors (and security officers or even normal crew who might both have qualms about people becoming a corpus while they habeas them) It is -exceptionally- difficult to actually die in this game, and I would argue without changing (and in changing, probably having a profound impact on the game beyond one traitor item) would become a far more common inevitability.
So in the zero sum game of fighting doctors for the moment, having my finger over the succumb dead man's switch the moment I hear the inevitable scanner noise I feel is just how the dilemma ends up. I'll hold on as long as I can, and sometimes you get a chance to get that speech off (which is -also- useful for escalating/signalling that hey, I'm about to detonate you should probably get out of the blast range if you're not aware) but I don't feel bad about flipping the switch.
I think trying to use them more creatively (say, in others, or the mindhacked, or a chicken for a definitive and cute time bomb) is certainly better too, but discussing the least interesting use of traitor tools versus their better ones is something you can do for all of them and that becomes more of an argument about how often it's cropping up and what the ratio of good to bad is.
That's entirely separate from stacking those microbombs, which we regularly see ideas tossed about I really like like making that have either a diminishing return, potential increased hazard, or obvious tell. If people felt like changing this up I'm all for that. I personally feel that could be tackled without fundamentally changing how succumb works with them.
What actually happens is a natural pathway of people jumping over themselves to heal the slightest papercut. I'm not suggesting we change this, it is an inevitable force of nature in a game of mediborgs and doctors (and security officers or even normal crew who might both have qualms about people becoming a corpus while they habeas them) It is -exceptionally- difficult to actually die in this game, and I would argue without changing (and in changing, probably having a profound impact on the game beyond one traitor item) would become a far more common inevitability.
So in the zero sum game of fighting doctors for the moment, having my finger over the succumb dead man's switch the moment I hear the inevitable scanner noise I feel is just how the dilemma ends up. I'll hold on as long as I can, and sometimes you get a chance to get that speech off (which is -also- useful for escalating/signalling that hey, I'm about to detonate you should probably get out of the blast range if you're not aware) but I don't feel bad about flipping the switch.
I think trying to use them more creatively (say, in others, or the mindhacked, or a chicken for a definitive and cute time bomb) is certainly better too, but discussing the least interesting use of traitor tools versus their better ones is something you can do for all of them and that becomes more of an argument about how often it's cropping up and what the ratio of good to bad is.
That's entirely separate from stacking those microbombs, which we regularly see ideas tossed about I really like like making that have either a diminishing return, potential increased hazard, or obvious tell. If people felt like changing this up I'm all for that. I personally feel that could be tackled without fundamentally changing how succumb works with them.