Goonhub
10-04-2024, 12:41 AM
This is a can of worms that I hadn't intended on weighing in on, mostly because my opinion doesn't matter and criticism hardly does either, but man. A lot of good points are being raised that I can't help but +1 onto, the fact that SS13 is a PEGI-18 game no matter which way you look at it (lovely information by the way, Cropsey), and that SS13 is not a safe game to be played by a minor demographic.
That being said, there will always be minors in 18+ communities. There will always be 13-15 year olds in 16+ communities. Unless you're doing ID checks, you can't really make sure, and even then they can just yoink their parents ID for a couple minutes if they're really that convicted. It's a lose-lose, this entire argument is, and honestly I feel like its a waste of breath, typing fingers, and brainpower from both parties.
This is clearly a topic that a lot of people have strong convictions about. I personally don't, and I agree with an earlier point made that if you want to engage in these things, then you should just go elsewhere. But I also agree with the fact that SS13 is not something that can or should be exposed to minors without explicit parental consent. I feel like getting consent forms from parents is a helluva lot more challenging than just slapping an 18+ "I pinky promise I'm 18+ I swear I swear" jig on it. I'm honestly surprised you haven't been facing lawsuits yet for this sort of blatant non-discretion
And, a question for you folks with kids under 16. Even without any sexual content, barring the romantic content drama, would you want your child to be playing SS13? Not even on Goonstation, but any 13+ server?
If I were a parent and I saw my 13 year old playing a game where people violently explode and die, vomit their organs out, kill each other, do drugs, whatever - I probably would not be very happy. The thing is, very little about SS13 is actually cartoonish as well. The gibbing animation is fucking horrific when you see it the first time. Like, jeez, that could possibly negatively rewire a child's brain for sure.
All of my prattling aside, my point is that children just shouldn't be here in the first place and, as stated before by OutbackCatgirl, the infantilization and treatment of other adult peers is honestly a bit hard to fathom how much you do it that bad. The "holier than thou" "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm big, you're little" attitude that I've seen paired with downright condescension when it comes to feedback in these sorts of topics is horrid, to say the least. There's no reason to be talking to people like they're stupid and if I had half a mind I'd open a complaints thread about it, but I don't really care that much to begin with.
If you didn't want feedback, don't make it a discussion topic. Period. And before you say you wanted this to be discussed, clearly the admin replies wouldn't be laced with blatant hostility towards people with differing opinions. Even looking at this argument without bias, there is very little defensible from the side of the administration team.
That being said, there will always be minors in 18+ communities. There will always be 13-15 year olds in 16+ communities. Unless you're doing ID checks, you can't really make sure, and even then they can just yoink their parents ID for a couple minutes if they're really that convicted. It's a lose-lose, this entire argument is, and honestly I feel like its a waste of breath, typing fingers, and brainpower from both parties.
This is clearly a topic that a lot of people have strong convictions about. I personally don't, and I agree with an earlier point made that if you want to engage in these things, then you should just go elsewhere. But I also agree with the fact that SS13 is not something that can or should be exposed to minors without explicit parental consent. I feel like getting consent forms from parents is a helluva lot more challenging than just slapping an 18+ "I pinky promise I'm 18+ I swear I swear" jig on it. I'm honestly surprised you haven't been facing lawsuits yet for this sort of blatant non-discretion
And, a question for you folks with kids under 16. Even without any sexual content, barring the romantic content drama, would you want your child to be playing SS13? Not even on Goonstation, but any 13+ server?
If I were a parent and I saw my 13 year old playing a game where people violently explode and die, vomit their organs out, kill each other, do drugs, whatever - I probably would not be very happy. The thing is, very little about SS13 is actually cartoonish as well. The gibbing animation is fucking horrific when you see it the first time. Like, jeez, that could possibly negatively rewire a child's brain for sure.
All of my prattling aside, my point is that children just shouldn't be here in the first place and, as stated before by OutbackCatgirl, the infantilization and treatment of other adult peers is honestly a bit hard to fathom how much you do it that bad. The "holier than thou" "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm big, you're little" attitude that I've seen paired with downright condescension when it comes to feedback in these sorts of topics is horrid, to say the least. There's no reason to be talking to people like they're stupid and if I had half a mind I'd open a complaints thread about it, but I don't really care that much to begin with.
If you didn't want feedback, don't make it a discussion topic. Period. And before you say you wanted this to be discussed, clearly the admin replies wouldn't be laced with blatant hostility towards people with differing opinions. Even looking at this argument without bias, there is very little defensible from the side of the administration team.