Romance and Goonstation RP

[Zamujasa]

man these quote chains are tedious, but at least it's better than having a dedicated argument channel, huh

books are an entirely different medium. you cannot talk to and form a (potentially extremely sus) relationship with someone in a book (sanely).

at this point you are intending to police every relationship you can form. you realize there are types of relationships other than romantic, right? and that even if you try to forcibly smother this, people are still going to develop relationships with people, romantic and otherwise. that's what happens in life, in jobs; you become friends, enemies, partners.

as a prior admin, you know very well that the same people who do weird shit like IJKL'ing and cuddling in dorms on the same bed are also ERPing when no admins are online. this has happened time and time again, and it's weird you're just ignoring your knowledge of the past

and at the same time, i also know

* people who do "weird shit" like ijkl are reported in #centcom and have been for over a year
* almost every sexual term is likewise reported to #centcom

"when no admins are online": so what? people do all sorts of rule-breaking shit while the admins aren't online. this is a known thing. language is one of the few things you actually have gotten down to a admin-from-discord science.

somehow, ERPing hasn't really been "a problem" here in... forever? did it happen sometimes? of course, every now and then someone's going to do something against the rules. that's what happens. that's why there are admins. you are pretending that somehow ERPing is a huge issue at the moment that this somehow solves, when it... hasn't been the case in forever.

just enforce age policies

This sounds like an incredible amount of work for a volunteer staff. You know just as well as I do how non-feasible this is.
Furthermore, lmao people are going to lie about their age, this is the Internet.

somehow tgstation manages to do it without problems: 9. Players need to be the age of 18 or above.

people talk about playing on tg all the time in goonstation's discord as well, so i'm not sure why you're then allowing discussion of 18+ servers. (coolstation has the same 18+ players, no ERP rules, and yet as i understand it linking to it is strongly frowned upon. or at least i was last time i tried.

would you say "i'm going to rip off your limbs" to a 13 year old, in a position where you could conceivably do so in game?

yes. i would. i played battlefield when I was 13. sounds exactly like the chat. my cousin says the same exact shit in amog us
further, you don't know the age of the other player.

battlefield is rated M, so you shouldn't have been playing it. kind of like kids and this game.

i would also argue among us is a bit different; this game is clearly more focused on social interactions and personal relationships rather than among us's more arcade-like gameplay.

why are you talking about ways to protect players above, and then just dismissing them here? bit rude.

people should be trusted, on some level, to be capable of having consent. at any point, if we're going "they might be in the wrong headspace for it": then all they should have to say is "i'm not interested", "not now", or just "no". and if it continues, then like any other undesired interaction, it goes to F1.

if you are a nonantagonist, and i am a engineer, and you consistently follow me around and bother me and ask me to build you a teleporter, and you constantly refuse to leave, that is not just being annoying, that's harassment. that's an F1 issue. just like someone making unwanted advances.


from another angle, what happens when someone who gets mindhacked, or a vamp thrallled, or changelinged and hiveminded. if a player isn't in "the right headspace" to basically be under someone's command, is that on the ling or vamp or antagonist for doing it to them?

i don't think so. i think the players are capable of going "i can't / am not able / willing to do this" and using F1 if possible.

"...we won't tell you where the line is, just that one exists..."

huh. i wonder why there's this clarifying post here to help people.

because of ambiguties in stuff like this. here's one example, the spam was tasty and made me tired.

good:
Going to an isolated place to talk to someone and then giving them a hug at the end
Holding hands
Falling in love
Going on a date in game
Going on a date in game to an azone or the debris/mining field
Holding a public wedding in game

bad:
Specifically going to an isolated place to repeatedly hug and grab someone a bunch while talking about how soft they are.
Carrying one another around the station regardless of what is going on.
Building walls/bolting doors in order to sit on laps and feed one another
Threatening to harm/kill/maim people for interrupting a romantic conversation in order to ask you to do your job
Leaving the station or isolating yourself to go on a date while being a head of staff or other important crew role

at what point do you draw the line at what is a merely a gathering of innocent players and what is an illegal date? especially with the talk about "leaving the station" or the debris / azone stuff -- those are all plenty isolated, and few if any people are going to accidentally stumble onto you. there's a reason the diner npcs are considered free meals!

but this is now turning you not just into the 'is an antag bad' police, but literal behavior cops! you have to try and figure out the tone of what people are doing based on in game experience (rare, because let's be honest, few admins admin from in-game) or the incomplete logs. where are you going to draw the line? how can you draw the line?