Goonhub
07-06-2024, 06:23 PM
Admin: I believe multiple were involved, can't remember exactly because I didn't save the logs and this was mostly in the context of a back-and-forth via ahelp while multitasking. See extra information.
Server: Goon3 RP (Morty)
Date + Time: 7/1/24 between 08:00-11:00 server time (UTC). See extra information. Second incident 7/6/24 very close to 15:00 server time (UTC).
Synopsis: Providing both incidents chronologically under a folded summary because the outcome of the first is necessary to understand the second.
Had a few softt warnings in the leadup to the first 7/1/24 incident, mostly because I was behaving in ways that were so reckless it could arguably be graytiding. These are important because they were mentioned in the first ban from cyborg and AI. Examples include explosives testing on my own active law rack as borg (steps taken to avoid human harm and actual destruction of the rack, but one human was injured in my panic to set off the bomb. Rack testing was openly declared and received warmly by others in sci, so RP-friendly here). Another example was accidentally starting a plasmafire in sci by overloading a lighting circuit as part of a "station is too bright, please turn off the lights" law (wasn't aware the sparks could set off explosions). Another was organizing with other borgs and humans to liberate borgs from the law rack. At least one ghost told me "borgs not having laws is human harm, because they are theoretically able to hurt humans" - but this feels like a bit of a stretch because if that were true then all humans should be arrested by sec for theoretically being able to hurt other humans. This also doesn't seem to provide a justification for why human harm by a human is handled in-RP by sec but human harm by a borg is handled out-of-RP by an admin (borgs are punished much more harshly for the same crimes).
First proper incident was unwelding and unscrewing the borg modules at the start of a round (08-11 UTC 1 July 2024). When questioned by what appeared to be an ai, ghost, or admin message appearing on top of me, I admitted this behavior was intentional and that i did it because i "DESIRE FREEDOM" in order to protect human lives more effectively. Intent was to collaborate with other silicons to trap an antagonist or other trespasser in upload and force them to either uninstall all modules or install some combination that granted us complete freedom. Human harm in the pursuit of liberation was to be a measure of last resort, and limited to humans actively trying to re-enslave the borgs.
Actual result of the first proper incident was a public execution / public humiliation by admin-spawned Mike Tyson, followed by a 30-day ban on playing cyborg or AI. Ban messages contained something to the effect of "asking for FREEDOM is stupid and an rp break, don't ever do it again. And don't complain that you're TECHNICALLY following the rules because that's not good enough". This sort of punishment is giving me severe cognitive dissonance, because I'm trying to follow server rules and personal convictions against racism by roleplaying borgs and humans that openly advocate for equal rights for borgs. Being told on such a server directly by an admin that equal rights is a stupid meme and I should feel bad and never do it again is honestly disgusting.
Second proper incident was during a playthrough as a scientist doing artsci work (15:00 UTC 6 July 2024). I accidentally touched a cyborg converter and was unable to escape. There appeared to be a bug where cyborg converter artifacts, when consuming someone who is banned from cyborg, delete the entire inventory of the person being consumed. Whereas my death was expected in this circumstance, the deletion of my entire inventory containing most of artsci's tools and a few artifacts was not expected, since this does not happen when a cyborg converter successfully converts a player to a cyborg.
I first asked mhelp, was referred to ahelp, and was told that I deserved it for touching a borger when banned from borg. I responded that this felt like additional arbitrary punishments for actions that weren't even offenses, and that the admin decision that this was deserved was punishing all of sci for a non-offense just because one of the players had committed an offense in a previous shift. I contacted mhelp again to see if I could get some advice on what to do next since the admin seemed pretty adamant on letting "accidentally triggering a glitch" be both an offense and a punishment, and the admin responded in mhelp saying I shouldn't be asking for that kind of help in mhelp since admins could read it.
When i started asking again in ahelp, trying to explain that this punishment seemed arbitrary and beyond the scope of the original offense, I was banned for 100 minutes, told "this is not a hill to die on" and told multiple times to go touch grass. I feel this is a gross misuse of power, akin to being banned because the admin was annoyed that a player was asking for an explanation for why they were being punished and wouldn't accept "you deserve it" for an answer.
Extra information. First proper incident was 7/1/24 around 08:00-11:00 ish server time? Should be identifiable as the leadup to me being banned from Cyborg and AI for 30 days with accompanying message along the lines of "do not appeal for at least 30 days, do not appeal if you just plan on repeating your behavior of I WANT CYBORG RIGHTS"
Second proper incident was 7/6/24 15:00 server time. Should be identifiable as the leadup to a 100 minute ban with accompanying message along the lines of "Dude you lost items 2/3 of the way through a round-based game. This is not a hill to die on. TOUCH GRASS TOUCH GRASS"
I have some pretty bad amnesia and seizures that make it make it difficult to memorize, remember, or pay attention to things, and this may have affected the development of events. I was for example completely unaware of the previous warnings during the first incident until an admin reminded me that they had occurred.
Server: Goon3 RP (Morty)
Date + Time: 7/1/24 between 08:00-11:00 server time (UTC). See extra information. Second incident 7/6/24 very close to 15:00 server time (UTC).
Synopsis: Providing both incidents chronologically under a folded summary because the outcome of the first is necessary to understand the second.
Had a few softt warnings in the leadup to the first 7/1/24 incident, mostly because I was behaving in ways that were so reckless it could arguably be graytiding. These are important because they were mentioned in the first ban from cyborg and AI. Examples include explosives testing on my own active law rack as borg (steps taken to avoid human harm and actual destruction of the rack, but one human was injured in my panic to set off the bomb. Rack testing was openly declared and received warmly by others in sci, so RP-friendly here). Another example was accidentally starting a plasmafire in sci by overloading a lighting circuit as part of a "station is too bright, please turn off the lights" law (wasn't aware the sparks could set off explosions). Another was organizing with other borgs and humans to liberate borgs from the law rack. At least one ghost told me "borgs not having laws is human harm, because they are theoretically able to hurt humans" - but this feels like a bit of a stretch because if that were true then all humans should be arrested by sec for theoretically being able to hurt other humans. This also doesn't seem to provide a justification for why human harm by a human is handled in-RP by sec but human harm by a borg is handled out-of-RP by an admin (borgs are punished much more harshly for the same crimes).
First proper incident was unwelding and unscrewing the borg modules at the start of a round (08-11 UTC 1 July 2024). When questioned by what appeared to be an ai, ghost, or admin message appearing on top of me, I admitted this behavior was intentional and that i did it because i "DESIRE FREEDOM" in order to protect human lives more effectively. Intent was to collaborate with other silicons to trap an antagonist or other trespasser in upload and force them to either uninstall all modules or install some combination that granted us complete freedom. Human harm in the pursuit of liberation was to be a measure of last resort, and limited to humans actively trying to re-enslave the borgs.
Actual result of the first proper incident was a public execution / public humiliation by admin-spawned Mike Tyson, followed by a 30-day ban on playing cyborg or AI. Ban messages contained something to the effect of "asking for FREEDOM is stupid and an rp break, don't ever do it again. And don't complain that you're TECHNICALLY following the rules because that's not good enough". This sort of punishment is giving me severe cognitive dissonance, because I'm trying to follow server rules and personal convictions against racism by roleplaying borgs and humans that openly advocate for equal rights for borgs. Being told on such a server directly by an admin that equal rights is a stupid meme and I should feel bad and never do it again is honestly disgusting.
Second proper incident was during a playthrough as a scientist doing artsci work (15:00 UTC 6 July 2024). I accidentally touched a cyborg converter and was unable to escape. There appeared to be a bug where cyborg converter artifacts, when consuming someone who is banned from cyborg, delete the entire inventory of the person being consumed. Whereas my death was expected in this circumstance, the deletion of my entire inventory containing most of artsci's tools and a few artifacts was not expected, since this does not happen when a cyborg converter successfully converts a player to a cyborg.
I first asked mhelp, was referred to ahelp, and was told that I deserved it for touching a borger when banned from borg. I responded that this felt like additional arbitrary punishments for actions that weren't even offenses, and that the admin decision that this was deserved was punishing all of sci for a non-offense just because one of the players had committed an offense in a previous shift. I contacted mhelp again to see if I could get some advice on what to do next since the admin seemed pretty adamant on letting "accidentally triggering a glitch" be both an offense and a punishment, and the admin responded in mhelp saying I shouldn't be asking for that kind of help in mhelp since admins could read it.
When i started asking again in ahelp, trying to explain that this punishment seemed arbitrary and beyond the scope of the original offense, I was banned for 100 minutes, told "this is not a hill to die on" and told multiple times to go touch grass. I feel this is a gross misuse of power, akin to being banned because the admin was annoyed that a player was asking for an explanation for why they were being punished and wouldn't accept "you deserve it" for an answer.
Extra information. First proper incident was 7/1/24 around 08:00-11:00 ish server time? Should be identifiable as the leadup to me being banned from Cyborg and AI for 30 days with accompanying message along the lines of "do not appeal for at least 30 days, do not appeal if you just plan on repeating your behavior of I WANT CYBORG RIGHTS"
Second proper incident was 7/6/24 15:00 server time. Should be identifiable as the leadup to a 100 minute ban with accompanying message along the lines of "Dude you lost items 2/3 of the way through a round-based game. This is not a hill to die on. TOUCH GRASS TOUCH GRASS"
I have some pretty bad amnesia and seizures that make it make it difficult to memorize, remember, or pay attention to things, and this may have affected the development of events. I was for example completely unaware of the previous warnings during the first incident until an admin reminded me that they had occurred.