Goonhub
03-09-2024, 03:30 PM
When I roll sleeper, all I get is a tinge of anxiety and dread.
https://github.com/goonstation/goonstation/pull/4927. Was almost three years ago, and regardless of the timing I personally have to disagree on every point made against it.
It's frustrating to get the sudden expectation to drive the round in crime without the time or gear you need to setup such an endeavor. (no, i've never been given a dead drop. and I believe if they're not guaranteed, you still would have horrible sleeper rounds when rng sucks.)
On one hand, I hate sleeper. it's stressful to try and do something meaningful to the round on a whim, with what might be only ten minutes and a toothpick.
But, at the same time, I want to play traitor. I can choose what traitor items i want to play with, and I can set up a meaningful gimmick if I want.
I don't think it's fair to have to choose between what are, mechanically, two different antagonists. If I want to play wizard but not changeling, that's cool. Why not this?
And it goes in reverse too -- there's people who want sleeper, but might not want traitor. If this is still attached to traitor preferences, why block that too?
Isn't the point of sleeper to help keep the round going?
I understand I can just... not do anything, but that just stagnates the round. Sleepers are chosen because the antagonist population is low, among other reasons -- why should it pick candidates who won't want to do anything to pick up the slack? And besides -- there's a certain pressure that at the least *I* experience that makes the idea of doing nothing feel horrible. It's a lose-lose for me right now, and I know others feel this way. Just search "sleeper agent / disable sleeper" on the discord and there's a handful of results.
I know there's plenty of people who would love the opportunity. Why can't I disable it so they can get it instead? Why specifically sleeper agents?
https://github.com/goonstation/goonstation/pull/4927. Was almost three years ago, and regardless of the timing I personally have to disagree on every point made against it.
It's frustrating to get the sudden expectation to drive the round in crime without the time or gear you need to setup such an endeavor. (no, i've never been given a dead drop. and I believe if they're not guaranteed, you still would have horrible sleeper rounds when rng sucks.)
Quote:If someone doesn't want to be an antag, it's specifically stated on the "things to keep in mind" section on the rules page that they can adminhelp it and have it passed off to someone else if they really don't want to play it.
On one hand, I hate sleeper. it's stressful to try and do something meaningful to the round on a whim, with what might be only ten minutes and a toothpick.
But, at the same time, I want to play traitor. I can choose what traitor items i want to play with, and I can set up a meaningful gimmick if I want.
I don't think it's fair to have to choose between what are, mechanically, two different antagonists. If I want to play wizard but not changeling, that's cool. Why not this?
Quote:I really like this I actually do have traitor enabled more for sleeper than I do traitor itself. I never understood why sleeper was locked behind traitor.
And it goes in reverse too -- there's people who want sleeper, but might not want traitor. If this is still attached to traitor preferences, why block that too?
Quote:It exists to allow entirely random people the ability to get creative in their murdering if they so choose, and there is no loss if they just decide they want to grow weed instead.
Isn't the point of sleeper to help keep the round going?
I understand I can just... not do anything, but that just stagnates the round. Sleepers are chosen because the antagonist population is low, among other reasons -- why should it pick candidates who won't want to do anything to pick up the slack? And besides -- there's a certain pressure that at the least *I* experience that makes the idea of doing nothing feel horrible. It's a lose-lose for me right now, and I know others feel this way. Just search "sleeper agent / disable sleeper" on the discord and there's a handful of results.
I know there's plenty of people who would love the opportunity. Why can't I disable it so they can get it instead? Why specifically sleeper agents?