Complaint At least commit to it

[Bananabits111]

If you care so little about what players say, you might as well either tell players that what they're doing is wrong and leave them alone, or ban them right away. There was no need to encourage them to lie.

I fail to see how you understand this as UrsulaMajor failing to care. If she didn't care about making sure that this specific person understood the rules and wouldn't break them again, she would have just banned them right away. The person was drawing out the argument because they didn't want to admit that they broke the rules. Emily  (as she said in this thread) was exasperated and asked them why they couldn't even lie and say they were wrong and they wouldn't do it again. You seem really hung up on this, which confuses me. It is pretty blindingly obvious to me (someone who was not involved and is just reading the logs) that the person who was breaking the rules was just upset and thought that if they refused to say they broke the rules, they would not be punished for breaking the rules. In this case, the player lying does not matter at all in the context of the rules. Emily knows they broke the rules. They have been told they broke the rules. They are being asked not to break the rules again.
Asking them to lie in this case is letting them shoot themselves in the foot. If they refuse to say the thing they have been explicitly asked to say, they will be banned.

For someone who deleted my comment for peanut posting, you have a lot to say about a ban you weren't there for.

If you care so little about what players say, you might as well either tell players that what they're doing is wrong and leave them alone, or ban them right away. There was no need to encourage them to lie.

I fail to see how you understand this as UrsulaMajor failing to care. If she didn't care about making sure that this specific person understood the rules and wouldn't break them again, she would have just banned them right away. The person was drawing out the argument because they didn't want to admit that they broke the rules. Emily  (as she said in this thread) was exasperated and asked them why they couldn't even lie and say they were wrong and they wouldn't do it again. You seem really hung up on this, which confuses me. It is pretty blindingly obvious to me (someone who was not involved and is just reading the logs) that the person who was breaking the rules was just upset and thought that if they refused to say they broke the rules, they would not be punished for breaking the rules. In this case, the player lying does not matter at all in the context of the rules. Emily knows they broke the rules. They have been told they broke the rules. They are being asked not to break the rules again.
Asking them to lie in this case is letting them shoot themselves in the foot. If they refuse to say the thing they have been explicitly asked to say, they will be banned.

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I think judging Ursula out of single line is unfair in this example. They spend 15 minutes to tell a player dont sabotage the station and all player needed to say was ok I wont sabotage the station as non antagonist. This lasted this long because it was such small thing that It doesn't warrant a ban. All the player needed to do was saying ok I won't grief and that would be it. If they were uncaring this would go as: Admin: Don't grief, Player: I will grief, BAN. As admin they tried really hard to explain player the rules and when player didn't understand rules for 15 minutes they banned them and in ban message  told acknowledge the rules to comeback. So I wouldn't call Ursula uncaring and I would actaully say they did it pretty well.

My problem isn't the ban, it's that she was willing to not do anything if the player just lied. Where's the integrity in that?