Goonhub
09-14-2023, 12:02 AM
I don't understand why "Borgs aren't humans, and should be restricted from doing xyz like humans can," Even applies here, respectfully. Like the window thing, absolutely could go, but the rest of these points, such as "petting" animals or people, for one does literally nothing to said mobs so it's purely for flavor when used - Unless you're petting other borgs! Which works? I don't know why, but I thought it was cute - I see no reason why that has to go just because borgs aren't functionally the same. (I'd like to point out, for hugging people - You CAN use the hug emote as a borg. You just aren't prompted to hug any nearby players, and instead can only hug yourself, which is always a little sad. But aside from that, you can custom emote things, like hugging, or patting, or shaking people by the shoulders. As a mechanic, this does nothing but visually convey in a much quicker fashion something you could custom emote, so I think it would be nice to keep, however that's my opinion.)
As for things with actual functionality, like the containers, like it's been pointed out by others before me the most functionality this sees is that should I be playing a borg, I can remove things from a box. I can't use it, pick it up, or even put it BACK into the box, but I can take it out in case it's needed. Like with cheese, and butter, and maybe someone needs a mannitol pill from the medkit and can't get it themself, who knows! By the logic of that, just remove borg arms. Why do you need them? you don't have hands.
It was unintentional, but it doesn't actually make for something that's abuseable, and if anything I had no idea it was a bug until it was fixed because it honestly made sense. Opening a box is feasible, and taking things out, sure! But that autoinjector is still gonna fall through my robot claws because I don't have opposable thumbs. And you know what, shucks! You got me, I signed up for that.
I also don't see how shift clicking to quickly drag items onto oneself (with all items still ultimately dropping onto the ground unusable) actually causes many issues. I know I HAVE used this as a borg, but I also rarely use it because either which way I still can't use these things, and if I want to take it with me, I need to stop, shift click, move a tile, stop, shift click... It means you can move multiple items instead of making five round trips, but it's still fairly clunky and inefficient because you can't actually pick things up. I can't reasonably see this being abused, because if you wanted to be a nuisance as a borg there's at least 10-15 more efficient ways to do it, you know? And ladders are actually, I feel, still important. Nadir and Oshan use ladders! Also again, WHY, reasonably, would borgs not be able to use ladders, even if they didn't have hands? Again, at some point, just get rid of my ability to have arms. (Tangentially, while some azones aren't very borg friendly, why make azones that were at least accessible inaccessible?? It just discourages people from playing borgs in general.)
And I understand the argument, again, that borgs are intentionally functionally different, and it's one of my favorite things! I don't see why their functional difference needs to equal zero QoL functions or changes. It's discouraging to hear that argument as someone who's been playing borg / AI as one of my mainstays for a little over a year now, when there's an issue about not having some level of accessibility. I love borg, and I stick with it because I love it, but it feels like when there's a problem over even small things like this I see what sounds a bit like a catch-all, "You signed up for it, so deal." kind of attitude.
I don't want to sound accusatory in any way, I just hope people can understand where I'm coming from when I say that the bug was in general? Harmless, made my experience on goon as a whole a little more fun. The parts that could actually cause issues with intended borg gameplay I have zero issues seeing go, but as a whole feels like this is the kind of energy that just pushes less towards actually diversifying player races (? Is it considered that idk) and more just.. dismissive, if you wanna have fun just play a human. Which stinks.
Anyways, to wrap up, I apologize if any of this (again) comes across accusatory, or aggressive in any fashion, it's a bit late when I'm writing this.
tldr, let me climb the ladder, i still gots arms
As for things with actual functionality, like the containers, like it's been pointed out by others before me the most functionality this sees is that should I be playing a borg, I can remove things from a box. I can't use it, pick it up, or even put it BACK into the box, but I can take it out in case it's needed. Like with cheese, and butter, and maybe someone needs a mannitol pill from the medkit and can't get it themself, who knows! By the logic of that, just remove borg arms. Why do you need them? you don't have hands.
It was unintentional, but it doesn't actually make for something that's abuseable, and if anything I had no idea it was a bug until it was fixed because it honestly made sense. Opening a box is feasible, and taking things out, sure! But that autoinjector is still gonna fall through my robot claws because I don't have opposable thumbs. And you know what, shucks! You got me, I signed up for that.
I also don't see how shift clicking to quickly drag items onto oneself (with all items still ultimately dropping onto the ground unusable) actually causes many issues. I know I HAVE used this as a borg, but I also rarely use it because either which way I still can't use these things, and if I want to take it with me, I need to stop, shift click, move a tile, stop, shift click... It means you can move multiple items instead of making five round trips, but it's still fairly clunky and inefficient because you can't actually pick things up. I can't reasonably see this being abused, because if you wanted to be a nuisance as a borg there's at least 10-15 more efficient ways to do it, you know? And ladders are actually, I feel, still important. Nadir and Oshan use ladders! Also again, WHY, reasonably, would borgs not be able to use ladders, even if they didn't have hands? Again, at some point, just get rid of my ability to have arms. (Tangentially, while some azones aren't very borg friendly, why make azones that were at least accessible inaccessible?? It just discourages people from playing borgs in general.)
And I understand the argument, again, that borgs are intentionally functionally different, and it's one of my favorite things! I don't see why their functional difference needs to equal zero QoL functions or changes. It's discouraging to hear that argument as someone who's been playing borg / AI as one of my mainstays for a little over a year now, when there's an issue about not having some level of accessibility. I love borg, and I stick with it because I love it, but it feels like when there's a problem over even small things like this I see what sounds a bit like a catch-all, "You signed up for it, so deal." kind of attitude.
I don't want to sound accusatory in any way, I just hope people can understand where I'm coming from when I say that the bug was in general? Harmless, made my experience on goon as a whole a little more fun. The parts that could actually cause issues with intended borg gameplay I have zero issues seeing go, but as a whole feels like this is the kind of energy that just pushes less towards actually diversifying player races (? Is it considered that idk) and more just.. dismissive, if you wanna have fun just play a human. Which stinks.
Anyways, to wrap up, I apologize if any of this (again) comes across accusatory, or aggressive in any fashion, it's a bit late when I'm writing this.
tldr, let me climb the ladder, i still gots arms