Goonhub
07-14-2023, 05:20 PM
Discussed earlier in the discord, I think a thread is a good place for the topic.
I think something needs to be done about emag-less emagged cyber organs. It's always been used be one or two people at a time but I think particularly recently they're becoming a commonly used thing to the point of being many people's roundstart rituals. My issues with it specifically is emagged cyber organs are noticably powerful for the effort you have to put in to get them. You need a fabricator, a room to yourself and a couple of tools really. This plus the fact you need to go through surgery to get them results in groups of insanely powerful nonantags, as they do surgery on each other. I believe it's noticably powerful enough to distinguish itself as a bit unfair compared to other powerful and common tactics like lube. There's definitely normal non-antag things that approach the same power or reach it, like how botany can produce a lot of heals easily, I'd just argue hitting organs with a screwdriver for 15 minutes in a quiet room is a bit dull compared to other things.
As for what could be done, I think there's several angles to look at it from. You could make the process of cyber organ surgery more complex than fleshy organs, though that wouldn't solve the grouping problem and maybe encourage it due to more surgeons potentially being around and wanting some too. You could directly rebalance cyber organs and their emag effects somewhat, though I don't know enough about them to suggest specific numbers. In the same vein there could be more downsides for the stronger organs to work around, like how you need to be aware of brain damage with meth. You could also just remove emagging organs without a real emag completely, I'm not sure if that would be the popular option but it'd be mine.
Insight/discussion from people who know more about cyber organ stuff would be appreciated.
I think something needs to be done about emag-less emagged cyber organs. It's always been used be one or two people at a time but I think particularly recently they're becoming a commonly used thing to the point of being many people's roundstart rituals. My issues with it specifically is emagged cyber organs are noticably powerful for the effort you have to put in to get them. You need a fabricator, a room to yourself and a couple of tools really. This plus the fact you need to go through surgery to get them results in groups of insanely powerful nonantags, as they do surgery on each other. I believe it's noticably powerful enough to distinguish itself as a bit unfair compared to other powerful and common tactics like lube. There's definitely normal non-antag things that approach the same power or reach it, like how botany can produce a lot of heals easily, I'd just argue hitting organs with a screwdriver for 15 minutes in a quiet room is a bit dull compared to other things.
As for what could be done, I think there's several angles to look at it from. You could make the process of cyber organ surgery more complex than fleshy organs, though that wouldn't solve the grouping problem and maybe encourage it due to more surgeons potentially being around and wanting some too. You could directly rebalance cyber organs and their emag effects somewhat, though I don't know enough about them to suggest specific numbers. In the same vein there could be more downsides for the stronger organs to work around, like how you need to be aware of brain damage with meth. You could also just remove emagging organs without a real emag completely, I'm not sure if that would be the popular option but it'd be mine.
Insight/discussion from people who know more about cyber organ stuff would be appreciated.