Goonhub
06-25-2023, 03:30 PM
so i'm a sec main (there is no saving my soul) and one thing I have ran into a fair lot the past month or 2 is antags using harm lube. Now harm lube takes around 10 seconds to make and when applied to a tile it will slip, disarm, and stun (for around 5 seconds iirc) anyone who runs or walks over it. On top of all this it is painfully easy to lube a tile while being chase by a secoff. All this in turn makes lube stronger than a fair lot of the gear that cost actual TC. I feel that if given the choice more players would pick harm lube over something like a csaber or pred to kill sec with because you can easily bait a secoff into a chase, slip them, and then steal whatever stun item they had in their hands. Keep in mind this isnt even a choice that tratiors have to make because they CAN buy whatever they want and still have harm lube on back up.
The counter argument that comes to mind is the fact that you can see tiles that are lubed and although that is a downside it really isn't a meaningful one especially if you are a secoff. If you are a secoff and you see a row of lube tiles what do you do? laying down on the ground and crawling over works sure but if the antag is running they are going to 100% get away and if they are waiting for you to act you have to put yourself in a vulnerable position to get to them. Alongside all of this you really cant even see lube tiles in darkness so if you are giving chase in maints or dark hallways and dont have time to turn a flashlight on you are just done for. And all this is if you are actively looking out for lube mid chase which most secoffs arent so even then it is very easy to pull a fast one on a secoff whos chasing close behind.
Now how do we fix this. Well thats the point of this post to see what other people think of harm lube and what can be done to fix the issues with it. I myself have heard many good points such as making harm lube use items from botany, making the lube user hands slippery so they cant pick up things, items slip alongside the person whos slip, and so on (NOOT wrote a lot of great ideas in another thread and these are just some of them).
So what do you guys think about lube? I wanted to make this post to really collect and find out what most players think about this because I have seen it talked on the discord a good lot but I dont believe there are any post on the matter.
The counter argument that comes to mind is the fact that you can see tiles that are lubed and although that is a downside it really isn't a meaningful one especially if you are a secoff. If you are a secoff and you see a row of lube tiles what do you do? laying down on the ground and crawling over works sure but if the antag is running they are going to 100% get away and if they are waiting for you to act you have to put yourself in a vulnerable position to get to them. Alongside all of this you really cant even see lube tiles in darkness so if you are giving chase in maints or dark hallways and dont have time to turn a flashlight on you are just done for. And all this is if you are actively looking out for lube mid chase which most secoffs arent so even then it is very easy to pull a fast one on a secoff whos chasing close behind.
Now how do we fix this. Well thats the point of this post to see what other people think of harm lube and what can be done to fix the issues with it. I myself have heard many good points such as making harm lube use items from botany, making the lube user hands slippery so they cant pick up things, items slip alongside the person whos slip, and so on (NOOT wrote a lot of great ideas in another thread and these are just some of them).
So what do you guys think about lube? I wanted to make this post to really collect and find out what most players think about this because I have seen it talked on the discord a good lot but I dont believe there are any post on the matter.