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Truthfully I would love some transparency with bans and consistency with punishments for said bans. Also I'd like it if when a rule is broken or interpreted as broken that further rule breaks by other entities present are not ignored.
I murdered a critter human and my quickly improvised excuse for such was interpreted as a rule break, some of whom were disgusted by their interpretation called Security down on me. And Security immediately lynched me in the RP SERVER with no actual justification for executing someone who was essentially committing disorderly conduct. I have very strong reason to believe the Admin called this lynch down on me and waited for it to happen before banning me due to the timing. What sick twisted conduct if true. Going to be honest? I stopped playing Goon even after that temp ban passed. The Admins have created such a scrubbed "sanitized" and "all inclusive" atmosphere with the suggestion to others to be tolerant while they themselves are oft incredibly intolerant of the slightest of infractions. It is needlessly authoritarian and creates an oppressive atmosphere that hangs in the server once you've experienced the bullshit once yourself. Any of the fun interactions or zany interesting bits are completely overshadowed by the fact that at any moment you'll be slapped with a permanent ban for a joke that was taken wrong or be lynch mobbed over it. Lynch mobbing is a rule break itself but apparently when Admins do it it's fine?
This isn't about my ban in the slightest. I just find this conduct abhorrent. Why not standardize punishments for certain rulebreaks? Why not give a mandatory warning, just one, when someone is doing something wrong? What if it's a situation like mine or others where they don't realize something is being seen as such? You'd seriously punish someone ignorant of their wrongdoing with the same severity of someone doing it with malintent? Just give a warning, then if they don't improve or walkback their incident fast hit, them with the punishment. That's much more reasonable than the inconsistency of banning someone's IP as punishment for their second ban over naughty words or a simple hour temp ban for making a grossly offensive political joke. Both examples being hypothetical of course.
I appreciate all admins for the volunteer work they do. But if they can't reel in their own knee jerk reactions or can't enforce the rules without breaking rules themselves, then perhaps some people just aren't meant to be admins.
On another note: the admin gimmicks. I don't mind when a gimmick is announced pre-round or it's an event. But well, I was a Security lad having a great round whilst struggling to keep this particular prisoner in line for his short sentence. When suddenly I see him fly upwards, basketball in hand. Chaosdunked. Very immersion ruining. I hear that apparently this sort of thing occurs as a result of a "bored admin?" Kind of a dick move gent. I don't mind more chill rps, everything need not be high intensity chaos every moment. It feels fine organically but when it's forced like that? Leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I recall Adminhelping that incident because of my disappointment. I didn't request anything, but I suppose an apology would've made me feel better. Or some assurance that such occurrences would be rare
I came to the server to hang out with neat folks and have zany fun in space. I did NOT come here to be under the heel and at the mercy of the admin's whims! I appreciate the dedication to retaining order but going full whimsical dictator mode is awful taste. The content on the server is amazing, you guys have a great thing here with so much potential, why ruin it with arbitration? I hope you folks actually remove the more psycho admins if behavior doesn't improve. The idea that you'd keep someone toxic around forever just because they're active seems suicidal. I'm not actually pointing fingers, I don't really know any admins I just know of certain patterns of sunken cost fallacy that some servers suffer from.
On another note, keeping the ban appeals public is a no brainer. Perhaps give each person the option to make them private? There has to be a better way to do this for people who see no reason to hide their infractions. Even if people enjoy the drama to a strange degree I don't see that as an adequate reason to ruin their fun unless you're seeing a lot of incidents of harrasment or something? Even then, who cares? Said figurative victim has the means to block them. The opinions of random entities on the internet don't really matter to me and they shouldn't to you.
Thanks for the Thread OP. Takes a good bit of courage to post that considering the very atmosphere you speak of and its ever present truth.
Unrelated bit, but I also stopped playing because of the whole 120 min reduction to 90 minutes. I savored the round end, struggling to survive in wrecked ship or desperately repairing it to survivability, or simply decompressing in the bar after a stressful Detective case. I mourn the loss of that time. But that's all off topic so I'll cease my rambling.
And what if they aren't lying and get pounced on anyway?
I murdered a critter human and my quickly improvised excuse for such was interpreted as a rule break, some of whom were disgusted by their interpretation called Security down on me. And Security immediately lynched me in the RP SERVER with no actual justification for executing someone who was essentially committing disorderly conduct. I have very strong reason to believe the Admin called this lynch down on me and waited for it to happen before banning me due to the timing. What sick twisted conduct if true. Going to be honest? I stopped playing Goon even after that temp ban passed. The Admins have created such a scrubbed "sanitized" and "all inclusive" atmosphere with the suggestion to others to be tolerant while they themselves are oft incredibly intolerant of the slightest of infractions. It is needlessly authoritarian and creates an oppressive atmosphere that hangs in the server once you've experienced the bullshit once yourself. Any of the fun interactions or zany interesting bits are completely overshadowed by the fact that at any moment you'll be slapped with a permanent ban for a joke that was taken wrong or be lynch mobbed over it. Lynch mobbing is a rule break itself but apparently when Admins do it it's fine?
This isn't about my ban in the slightest. I just find this conduct abhorrent. Why not standardize punishments for certain rulebreaks? Why not give a mandatory warning, just one, when someone is doing something wrong? What if it's a situation like mine or others where they don't realize something is being seen as such? You'd seriously punish someone ignorant of their wrongdoing with the same severity of someone doing it with malintent? Just give a warning, then if they don't improve or walkback their incident fast hit, them with the punishment. That's much more reasonable than the inconsistency of banning someone's IP as punishment for their second ban over naughty words or a simple hour temp ban for making a grossly offensive political joke. Both examples being hypothetical of course.
I appreciate all admins for the volunteer work they do. But if they can't reel in their own knee jerk reactions or can't enforce the rules without breaking rules themselves, then perhaps some people just aren't meant to be admins.
On another note: the admin gimmicks. I don't mind when a gimmick is announced pre-round or it's an event. But well, I was a Security lad having a great round whilst struggling to keep this particular prisoner in line for his short sentence. When suddenly I see him fly upwards, basketball in hand. Chaosdunked. Very immersion ruining. I hear that apparently this sort of thing occurs as a result of a "bored admin?" Kind of a dick move gent. I don't mind more chill rps, everything need not be high intensity chaos every moment. It feels fine organically but when it's forced like that? Leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I recall Adminhelping that incident because of my disappointment. I didn't request anything, but I suppose an apology would've made me feel better. Or some assurance that such occurrences would be rare
I came to the server to hang out with neat folks and have zany fun in space. I did NOT come here to be under the heel and at the mercy of the admin's whims! I appreciate the dedication to retaining order but going full whimsical dictator mode is awful taste. The content on the server is amazing, you guys have a great thing here with so much potential, why ruin it with arbitration? I hope you folks actually remove the more psycho admins if behavior doesn't improve. The idea that you'd keep someone toxic around forever just because they're active seems suicidal. I'm not actually pointing fingers, I don't really know any admins I just know of certain patterns of sunken cost fallacy that some servers suffer from.
On another note, keeping the ban appeals public is a no brainer. Perhaps give each person the option to make them private? There has to be a better way to do this for people who see no reason to hide their infractions. Even if people enjoy the drama to a strange degree I don't see that as an adequate reason to ruin their fun unless you're seeing a lot of incidents of harrasment or something? Even then, who cares? Said figurative victim has the means to block them. The opinions of random entities on the internet don't really matter to me and they shouldn't to you.
Thanks for the Thread OP. Takes a good bit of courage to post that considering the very atmosphere you speak of and its ever present truth.
Unrelated bit, but I also stopped playing because of the whole 120 min reduction to 90 minutes. I savored the round end, struggling to survive in wrecked ship or desperately repairing it to survivability, or simply decompressing in the bar after a stressful Detective case. I mourn the loss of that time. But that's all off topic so I'll cease my rambling.
(05-28-2023, 06:37 PM)Sord213 Wrote: If you want to sit in your sidecord or group DMs and talk shit good for you, keep lying to your friends about how the evil literally 1984 turbo mecha super hitler admins banned you for no reason and you're a martyr for the cause of the little guy. If you want to bring it to the rest of the class publicly expect to get called out for your shit.
And what if they aren't lying and get pounced on anyway?