04-06-2023, 03:31 AM
(04-05-2023, 10:02 PM)Frolicsome Flufficorn Wrote:(04-05-2023, 11:39 AM)Kotlol Wrote: Another reason why I find the Nadir removal fine and the Oshan one not so much. Is the following reasons:
1: In Oshan, you only need to use O2 to survive in there. It's never cold enough unless you go down into the lower levels.
If the vampire can do this + bat mode... it gets ridiclously strong.
2: In oshan you can move freely unlike space where you can float off and doom yourself.
3: Subs aka ship exist on Oshan that you can use and drive inside the station and outside without problems.
As for why the change HAS to come to Nadir:
1: Nadir has no subs/pods for the vampire to hide in.
2: The acid will already damage the poor thing.
3: It requires a special suit to go into acid water anyway that slowly eats away. And space suits tend to hurt vamps by starlight too.
So yea...
Counter point, In terms of OPness, Changeling Has the ability on all maps to literally move through all these obstacles without any issue. Im obviously not saying give Vampire space res, since space sun etc makes sense for vampire lore. But why are we suggesting that vampire should be pinned down as a single antag compared to every other antag in this situation. Oshan can literally be moved around in by everyone easily. By removing it from JUST vampire it easily puts that single antag at a huge disadvantage. Hell even traitors who are quite literally normal humans do better in the water for basically no reason. I dont see why we would single out a 1 antagonist to randomly debuff them despite the fact that lore wise it doesnt make sense due to them being at the bottom of a oshan. Side rant, but why while wearing a space suit do vampires take Damage in space XD. I mean it doesnt make sense, that suit completely covers their entire body so how does the sunlight even hit them? ok cool point made.
Good counterpoint, wich is why in NADIR they shouldn't have this problem. It means they can NEVER step foot outside of it even in the suit (wich kinda sucks)
But I do think the vampire should obtain a way to be in space/oshan with a suit on.
I do agree we are just nerfing things for lore wise. But... come on. Let vampires atleast wear a full on suit to avoid being burned.