about new cloning changes

[Silent Majority]

I've been lucky enough not to have to experience any of the more serious defects when I've been cloned, but I'd say that if there was a means through gameplay where the cloner would have a greatly reduced chance of producing defects in a clone (perhaps preventing any defects on the first clone), I'd have no problems with cloning defects. As it stands, if you get a bad roll in cloning and get a defect, there's nothing that could have been done to prevent that (besides not dying, which can be particularly hard to avoid in Goon 1). If the existing cloner upgrades were able to reduce this, or a new upgrade that specialized in improved cloning outcomes was added, then there'd be more nuance to the current system.

There are, of course, other ways of reviving people, such as with Strange Reagent or borging - although many would argue that borging doesn't count as a revival due to the restrictions that come with it - but given that the cloner is the single most critical piece of medical equipment due to its ability to revive people, preventing it from severely punishing its users seems like a good idea. More defects following successive instances of cloning is good, but I'd advise that the first one should be limited to minor, simple-to-resolve defects. In my experience, by the time you're getting cloned, the station is already mid-crisis and the doctors have next to no bandwidth to treat you, so clones should be able to resolve their defects without requiring something involved like surgery.

Also, to clarify: can the negative genetic traits that the cloner gives you be cured through genetics? Not saying that forcing genetics to deal with you after a bad clone is a great solution, but if that was a viable option then we might opt to lean into ways of streamlining that process so that dealing with the cloning defects is not so bad.

they cannot. Because they also happen on first clonings, this can be quite crushing. I found this out when I died on a minor admin thing from the funnies and then spent a half an hour dying and being brought back to try to cure the dsyprhaxia/clumbsy traits I gained from this. I think you could probably avoid it by cutting their head off then attaching it to another body then SRing it, but that still feels..wrong?

Like Kotol said. Some of these traits just make you no longer able to play the job you wanted, which turns into the whole 'permanent death' thing. I got fairly frustrated on the round the dsyphraxia hit me AGAIN because there was a mindhacked captain. When they caught me and told me they didn't want to kill me because the mindhacker just wanted to keep me imprisoned the entire round (Another fate worse then death aside) I suicided. I hit dnr, I think, before cloning was started but then I just came out with dsyphraxia clumsy and I was blind.

If we're going to have permanent unstoppable and unchangable negatives which prevent us from functioning, we should get a pop up for our incoming flaws so we can just hit Nope and die in the pod and set dnr or something.

I am fine for playing and all but a permanent and incurable removal of my ability to not have clown genetics would make me rather just sit out the round. If I wanted to be a clown I'd roll clown. If being a clown was inflicted on me by others or fault of my own I'd suicide to not be a clown. Having the choice forced on me feels like we've gone all the way back to the 'cloned human' bug.

I also thought I heard that first cloning wasn't supposed to be negative anymore?