A separate thread to discuss antags (ft. how it relates to metacliquing)

[Kotlol]

As of late, i've seen a lot of people either pushing antags at a very vast pace or just shutting them down altogether. Don't get me wrong, i don't enjoy "5 katana dudes TM playing MONO with the sec team", but as of late most of what i see are either completely silent antags that hide away most of the round in a way that while safe for them, doesn't get the round anywhere, or going VERY loud very fast, which leaves little in the way of roleplay.

This is a behaviour you have mostly due to gameplay balance. Sec stuns are blatantly overpowered, forcing antags into a very silent gameplay or go " all out, guns blazing". You cannot really escalate violence when sec is gonna shut you down with 2-4 baton hits. You can hope that you have very lenient sec, but then you are solely relying on chance.

And i can recall a round where i prepared to escalate violence and sec proceeded at the first opportunity where i fucked around with a super hairgrowium rafflesia to stun me and strip me of 6TC and 30 minutes worth of preparation. To be honest, i did some beginner mistakes, like not having a freedom implant and no sunglasses, but damn, that was an experience where i began to play much more cautios for later traitor rounds.

But this will probably derail the discussion. It was more one explanation on how this situation comes to existance.

How is HAIRGROWNIUM enough to get arrested for?! If I was security I would be like: "Hey don't put that in public, it will cause problems"
Give you a verbal warning and send you on your way.
Unless I have evidence of you using contraband, then I might give you a ticket, if I see it again then I will confiscate the contraband (only one since I dont know all of it)

Seriously, security should ONLY move in to arrest... if you are committing a crime or about to commit a huge crime like:
- Blowing up the station.
- Attacking other crewmen. (be it shoving, grabbing, punching)
- Drugging crewmen.
- Causing Damage to the station (Like breaking windows)
- Breaking and entering restricted sections ("I broke into the captain's office")
- Sabotage
- Stealing items

What's not a reason (at 1st offense mostly):
- Having or using Contraband (as long as it doesn't break things above you)
- Being supicious. (we need evidence, thats when the Detective comes in)
- Doing something questionable (like your hair grownium)
- Verbally rude
- Questioning command
- Questioning Security
- Pranking Security (While it might get you arrested when the officer has an ego or you interrupted a chase)
- Making questionable drinks
- Making questionable food
- Being an antagonist obivious to everyone.