A separate thread to discuss antags (ft. how it relates to metacliquing)

[Lord_earthfire]

As of late, i've seen a lot of people either pushing antags at a very vast pace or just shutting them down altogether. Don't get me wrong, i don't enjoy "5 katana dudes TM playing MONO with the sec team", but as of late most of what i see are either completely silent antags that hide away most of the round in a way that while safe for them, doesn't get the round anywhere, or going VERY loud very fast, which leaves little in the way of roleplay.

This is a behaviour you have mostly due to gameplay balance. Sec stuns are blatantly overpowered, forcing antags into a very silent gameplay or go " all out, guns blazing". You cannot really escalate violence when sec is gonna shut you down with 2-4 baton hits. You can hope that you have very lenient sec, but then you are solely relying on chance.

And i can recall a round where i prepared to escalate violence and sec proceeded at the first opportunity where i fucked around with a super hairgrowium rafflesia to stun me and strip me of 6TC and 30 minutes worth of preparation. To be honest, i did some beginner mistakes, like not having a freedom implant and no sunglasses, but damn, that was an experience where i began to play much more cautios for later traitor rounds.

But this will probably derail the discussion. It was more one explanation on how this situation comes to existance.