Goonhub
09-16-2022, 04:35 AM
Love my post wasn't ment to be malice or angry or upset.
It just felt out of context.
Now that the topic has evolved and we see more points from both sides.
We understand you respectfully want to change this, but there are just some things that were confusing like:
"Give them a wage" And I am like.. borgs/AI's always get the same wage. Human charaters get variable wages.
But to me it feels like you went down a rabbit hole of thinking... and I can see why.
Borgs can't have the tools they want.
Borgs can't express art.
Borgs can't wear all clothes.
But at the same time...
Borgs have all access.
Borgs are immune to alot of afflictions.
Borgs technically have 3 arms.
I tend to look more from the gaming standpoint.
If you would give the borg a wage that comes in from time to time.. fine. But what do they do with it? What will they spend money on?
Then we get to the point where we start asking things from a gameplay point why the borg/AI can't have it.
I believe the borg needing humans to do certain things balances out the fact that borgs cannot run stations alone. If they could... why hire humans?
From both lore and gameplay it makes sense.
Now to move on to your other issues.. "The goose talk"
Or as I call em BAD EGGS.
There will always be bad eggs in the game and while staff tries to prevent bad egg acts before they are possible, they also detract from other things. The fun of THE GAME. If someone uses the word SLAVE.. fine admins shown they don't want it and you are allowed to send someone to slap them.
Borgs being called tools is... not a good replacement in terms either. Cause a tool is ment to be used by a human. This term makes them feel below humans....
In my opinion Borgs are players who get certain advantages and certain disadvantages. They are part of the station wich is at the hands of human interaction.
Borgs are by that definition "Not human" but so are the non sentient monkeys.
The difference is BORGS HAVE RIGHTS. They might be "Non human" but we also have aliens and such.
Killing borgs comes with just as much judgement as killing a human.
Now is there a power balance in humans and silicon life? Maybe? I don't know that.. even playing for 2 years now.
If there is gameplay wise , that is a fair change to ask.
Now the last point....
And this is where I get Harsher....
I do not think your view is very realistic to what you think is going on. This world is a parody / fantasy of a possible future under a mega corperation fighting space wizards, mutants, aliens, unholy threats and crime lords.
If you look at another universe for example Warhammer 40k... thats where these terms will come up (and we got references to that universe too)
So why is it allowed there? Cause it's a world WE DONT WANT TO LIVE IN. Everyone's life is terrible in some way in that universe no matter the faction.
The nicest faction in that world... will not kill you, but sees you as an asset not a person.
So while the world of SS13 is bad, you have to accept that NT litterly will do anything to curb workers rebelling and using what they can to turn a profit.
Thus BORGING is a setence for people who sabotage the station so they can still be of USE to the station.
Heck one of the jobs that can show up are UNION REPRESENTATIVES for certain departments.. and guess what.. one of them is the CYBORG UNION REPRESENTATIVE.
(Or atleast i seen one.. could been a changed title)
Overal you need to think on what this game world represents and what changes can be allowed. I am not saying what you are asking is unreasonable, but it doesn't make sense since there are contradictions in your idea.
If you see people being bad eggs you report them.
If you think borgs get no wage? They do at the end of the round.
Heck I am probably one of the captain players who appriciates silicons more then humans and mostly give them fun laws so they feel appriciated (Such as my Employee of the month law). The biggest problem is the fact is.. is your borg a person or do they follow their code to the letter.
Ooh right you can also flat out refuse requests like opening doors unless the safety of the station or safety of a person depends on it.
You can refuse orders despite what any law is saying, since they are more "suggestions" then actual laws, just don't break them to do harm.
So next time a staff assistant is hassling you to open a door, just say they don't have access.
If they are ordering you for a drink.... tell them intoxication is harm and you cannot allow it.
Remember that.
Anyhow I think I said enough. LOVE it's a shame you feel that way and I am sorry it is so. This server thrives off mutual respect after all and no one sees you as the bad guy here. Just some people are afraid of trolling and grieving too, so some admins are just harsher due to it as they have to see abuse almost every day and deal with it proffesionaly without being unreasonable and harming the image of the game.
If you feel like returning we are here for you. You are a good AI/Borg player and I will happily always give you the employee of the month award law
It just felt out of context.
Now that the topic has evolved and we see more points from both sides.
We understand you respectfully want to change this, but there are just some things that were confusing like:
"Give them a wage" And I am like.. borgs/AI's always get the same wage. Human charaters get variable wages.
But to me it feels like you went down a rabbit hole of thinking... and I can see why.
Borgs can't have the tools they want.
Borgs can't express art.
Borgs can't wear all clothes.
But at the same time...
Borgs have all access.
Borgs are immune to alot of afflictions.
Borgs technically have 3 arms.
I tend to look more from the gaming standpoint.
If you would give the borg a wage that comes in from time to time.. fine. But what do they do with it? What will they spend money on?
Then we get to the point where we start asking things from a gameplay point why the borg/AI can't have it.
I believe the borg needing humans to do certain things balances out the fact that borgs cannot run stations alone. If they could... why hire humans?
From both lore and gameplay it makes sense.
Now to move on to your other issues.. "The goose talk"
Or as I call em BAD EGGS.
There will always be bad eggs in the game and while staff tries to prevent bad egg acts before they are possible, they also detract from other things. The fun of THE GAME. If someone uses the word SLAVE.. fine admins shown they don't want it and you are allowed to send someone to slap them.
Borgs being called tools is... not a good replacement in terms either. Cause a tool is ment to be used by a human. This term makes them feel below humans....
In my opinion Borgs are players who get certain advantages and certain disadvantages. They are part of the station wich is at the hands of human interaction.
Borgs are by that definition "Not human" but so are the non sentient monkeys.
The difference is BORGS HAVE RIGHTS. They might be "Non human" but we also have aliens and such.
Killing borgs comes with just as much judgement as killing a human.
Now is there a power balance in humans and silicon life? Maybe? I don't know that.. even playing for 2 years now.
If there is gameplay wise , that is a fair change to ask.
Now the last point....
And this is where I get Harsher....
I do not think your view is very realistic to what you think is going on. This world is a parody / fantasy of a possible future under a mega corperation fighting space wizards, mutants, aliens, unholy threats and crime lords.
If you look at another universe for example Warhammer 40k... thats where these terms will come up (and we got references to that universe too)
So why is it allowed there? Cause it's a world WE DONT WANT TO LIVE IN. Everyone's life is terrible in some way in that universe no matter the faction.
The nicest faction in that world... will not kill you, but sees you as an asset not a person.
So while the world of SS13 is bad, you have to accept that NT litterly will do anything to curb workers rebelling and using what they can to turn a profit.
Thus BORGING is a setence for people who sabotage the station so they can still be of USE to the station.
Heck one of the jobs that can show up are UNION REPRESENTATIVES for certain departments.. and guess what.. one of them is the CYBORG UNION REPRESENTATIVE.
(Or atleast i seen one.. could been a changed title)
Overal you need to think on what this game world represents and what changes can be allowed. I am not saying what you are asking is unreasonable, but it doesn't make sense since there are contradictions in your idea.
If you see people being bad eggs you report them.
If you think borgs get no wage? They do at the end of the round.
Heck I am probably one of the captain players who appriciates silicons more then humans and mostly give them fun laws so they feel appriciated (Such as my Employee of the month law). The biggest problem is the fact is.. is your borg a person or do they follow their code to the letter.
Ooh right you can also flat out refuse requests like opening doors unless the safety of the station or safety of a person depends on it.
You can refuse orders despite what any law is saying, since they are more "suggestions" then actual laws, just don't break them to do harm.
So next time a staff assistant is hassling you to open a door, just say they don't have access.
If they are ordering you for a drink.... tell them intoxication is harm and you cannot allow it.
Remember that.
Anyhow I think I said enough. LOVE it's a shame you feel that way and I am sorry it is so. This server thrives off mutual respect after all and no one sees you as the bad guy here. Just some people are afraid of trolling and grieving too, so some admins are just harsher due to it as they have to see abuse almost every day and deal with it proffesionaly without being unreasonable and harming the image of the game.
If you feel like returning we are here for you. You are a good AI/Borg player and I will happily always give you the employee of the month award law