Goonhub
09-03-2022, 12:21 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-03-2022, 12:22 PM by nefarious6th. Edited 1 time in total.)
Fancy that, I was thinking about this not too long ago
What I came to realize is that it's probably for the best that HoSes dont "promote" from security officers the way other roles do. If an MDir promotes from docs, there's not much different they'll be doing that's different from a doc. If a CE or RD promotes, same sort of story. The only other jobs that this doesnt happen for are HoP and Cap, and that makes some sense because there's no real linearity between a base job and those roles, but also because those roles are like, work, man. There's something actually to being HoP or Cap, even if you play them as do-jack-all sorts of roles, you now deal with greater targeting by antags and grifers, and on RP, greater need in-round that you're at least a little somewhat maybe expected to respond to.
Okay, anyways, HoS fits category 2 of those job responsibilities; there's greater stress or perceived stress, greater targeting, and all the added OOC junk one must impart into their sec play (you become responsible for bad behavior from officers and whatnot).
And my sincere and honest observation of the Situation as-is is that there are a Lot of people who will play HoS even when they already dont have their heart really in it, or they're in a grumpy mood or whatnot, that end up doing some bad things or performing poorly in a round because they cant conceive of the potential to, dare I say it, Step Down into the role of a Normal Secoff; so I think this would just promote more uhhhhhh apathetic and poor HoS presence in-round (this is a very noticeable trend on RP, anyways. Classic HoSes are, comparably, very good at Not Playing HoS when they arent ready to, but still playing secoff if they want to sec. Or even assistant).
So to get my thought a little more concisely here, if, for example, someone had antags checked, HoP high, secoff medium, and HoS low, then got outrolled on antag and HoP, they'd end up as HoS even though they might be sort of "meh" on it overall. I think HoS, granted the power the role has, should be something people WANT to play, enthusiastically, not this "we have to have it/I have to play it because I graduated from secoff" sort of role. And auto-promoting people who are sort of middling on whether they do or don't want to be HoS seems like it'll just throw more only semi-willing players into the role when they arent /really/ set on playing as one.
What I came to realize is that it's probably for the best that HoSes dont "promote" from security officers the way other roles do. If an MDir promotes from docs, there's not much different they'll be doing that's different from a doc. If a CE or RD promotes, same sort of story. The only other jobs that this doesnt happen for are HoP and Cap, and that makes some sense because there's no real linearity between a base job and those roles, but also because those roles are like, work, man. There's something actually to being HoP or Cap, even if you play them as do-jack-all sorts of roles, you now deal with greater targeting by antags and grifers, and on RP, greater need in-round that you're at least a little somewhat maybe expected to respond to.
Okay, anyways, HoS fits category 2 of those job responsibilities; there's greater stress or perceived stress, greater targeting, and all the added OOC junk one must impart into their sec play (you become responsible for bad behavior from officers and whatnot).
And my sincere and honest observation of the Situation as-is is that there are a Lot of people who will play HoS even when they already dont have their heart really in it, or they're in a grumpy mood or whatnot, that end up doing some bad things or performing poorly in a round because they cant conceive of the potential to, dare I say it, Step Down into the role of a Normal Secoff; so I think this would just promote more uhhhhhh apathetic and poor HoS presence in-round (this is a very noticeable trend on RP, anyways. Classic HoSes are, comparably, very good at Not Playing HoS when they arent ready to, but still playing secoff if they want to sec. Or even assistant).
So to get my thought a little more concisely here, if, for example, someone had antags checked, HoP high, secoff medium, and HoS low, then got outrolled on antag and HoP, they'd end up as HoS even though they might be sort of "meh" on it overall. I think HoS, granted the power the role has, should be something people WANT to play, enthusiastically, not this "we have to have it/I have to play it because I graduated from secoff" sort of role. And auto-promoting people who are sort of middling on whether they do or don't want to be HoS seems like it'll just throw more only semi-willing players into the role when they arent /really/ set on playing as one.