Chemistry nerfs

[Lord_earthfire]

Since this thread got necroed

i personally prefer the idea of keeping copy pastable groups - This recording will add like a two minute step that will actually make the problem even worse, as players can now just write down a list and make even more advanced copy paste mixes that aren't held back by reaction order.

The ultimate issue with chemgroups is that a lot of very powerful chems match the following criteria:
a. They do not require anything outside of the dispenser, or maybe need a couple units of welding fuel once
b. They do not require any heating
c. There are few reactions that actually get in the way of very complicated, huge mixes.

even with chemgroups, at this point i can make a phlog deathmix almost instantly - but if i want thermite, i actually have to spend time & effort.

My personal suggestion is to make murder chems require a larger amount of effort. namely, add heating steps to more recipes. touching chemgroups won't fix the issue as a lot of these can still just be fine.

all these other suggestions of messing up chemistry won't fix the problem, they'll just make it so every person who isn't nerdy enough to invest in chemgroups now has to suffer the anti-chemgroup chemistry changes without the benefit of chemgroups.

Overall agree with this assessment. We need more things to take care of with chem mixes besides the recipe and the sourcing of the chems.

In particular, i think the reaction temperature needs to be much more important.
I'm thinking about exothermic/endothermic reactions and side reactions that can destroy your chems if you overheat them (eg. Through the reaction itself).

Maybe even a system which utilizes other chems as well. Like stabilizer got a kinda poor role to just make some reactions not explode immediately.