Complaint Admin Cal: unreasonable behavior i'd never expect of an admin

[Violetsaber]

Hey there!

So, I came in hot on you because I noticed you continuing to engage with this person. They were demoted already and you made a snarky passing comment while they were discussing their demotion with the captain.



This was in the middle of me already talking to them in ahelp. 


Anyway, I was trying to ask you questions and skim the logs at the same time. I came across a few interesting bits.




Sure, this person may be acting a bit rude, but you are getting quite offended over being told a passing comment while eating a donut and chilling. This sets up later -





This new person was playing around and punched this guy once. Once.

Your response was thus:




Even if they were breaking the rules, that doesn't give you an excuse to also break the rules in this way. If a player was frustrating you or even making the round worse (does not necessarily have to fit a rule, we can act on people just generally being bad) it does not give you an excuse to ALSO break the rules.

You stunned, cuffed, and started kicking and punching them while going "How do YOU like it??" Absolutely unacceptable behavior for someone with hundreds of rounds on RP, even worse for an officer, and EVEN WORSE towards a new player.

The "10-15" minutes passing was me skimming the logs and trying to find interactions, just after you were snarky at me I decided to look and see if you were acting like this in-game too. And you were!

By the way, for future clarification - to ANYBODY reading this - it's perfectly acceptable to ahelp something even if you think someone else has already reported it, so that situations where these things go unnoticed happen.

First of i'd like to thank you for the fast reply. Secondly i sadly have to point out that this is hardly related to the core issue, but first i'd like to adress my "unacceptable behavior". I was trying to follow the security guide.

"Weed bad security out ASAP, as one bad egg spoils the bunch. It doesn't have to be sec either; the Captain, HoP, Detective or any acting sec may also be awful. Power corrupts. Could also be a Mindslave unless they are the HoS. People can also get security access from the HoP/HoS/Captain so don't assume they couldn't be an antagonist!"

I've seen other security officers, espcially Heads of Security, deal with abusive officers rather harshly. Turning the misdeed around on the perpetrator, giving them their own medicine, is an almost time honored tradition. I doubt you'll find any regular SEC player who'd disagree with that. I also doubt that the amount of punches matters if it was prefaced with "do it or i will beat you senseless". It's not about one punch, it's about the clear mindset that violence against someone in cuffs is A-okay. I thought i could slap them around a bit, toss them in the brig for a short time and they'd get their act together. Done it a bunch of times before and have seen it be done by other, more seasoned officers, even more. If the message is "do not, ever, do this again" i won't ever do this or similar again. I always follow admin instructions.

The real issue, to me at least, is that i've been banned for 3 days for answering every question and sharing 100% accurate information, while trying to be as concise and clear as possible, just for it to be labeled as "Tremendously shitty attitude over admin PMs". I simply answered and clarified things. I didn't disagree or go against instructions in any shape or form. When i was told to tone it the fuck down, i immediately stopped engaging with the other player and moved as physically far away from them as i could, while still patrolling the station. 

I admit that my initial post was worded a bit harshly as i, foolishly, immediately went to send a feedback post after being banned. I was still heated and baffled by the situation. For that i apologize.

Anyhow. Nobody likes being banned and especially not over something subjective. This is still not a ban appeal, this post/thread is more about transparency and speaking out against admin behavior i've observed in other cases as well. I understand that admins are always busy and overworked, but the same way we players are supposed to have our shit together under stress, so shouldnt admins just reach for the ban button if they get frustrated. If i ever do cross a line and get banned for something actually bad, i'll take it. Though i am happy i haven't been that foolish yet.

P.s. I apologize if my post is weirdly formated or doesn't follow usual etiquette. I've never used forums like this before joining goonstation and as you can see, i'm not exactly a frequent poster.