Goonhub
04-23-2022, 04:44 PM
The hiding of ban appeals was partially my doing and it was done for a very specific reason on my end:
The practice of public ban appeals hurt members who would be concerned about their public image. There are lots of things we will accept appeals for but people do not want to appeal because they are worried about how others will view them. You might argue these people did not deserve a ban in the first case if they can appeal but we can only warn people for the same thing so many times before we have to push harder to let the rules sink in.
The opposite end of the appealers is the absolute shameless people. The sort that would attract a lot of eyes and peanuts and people would talk about. Maybe admins would appear to dunk on them. It wasn't ever valuable that anyone saw it.
People are permitted to discuss their ban on Discord until an admin asks them to stop. There's a reason for that: It makes people uncomfortable to see bans hashed out in public. Personally, I don't mind people declaring they've been banned. I just ask them to stop after their declaration turns into the sort of whining that cuts into the enjoyment of people using our discord to talk about the game.
A system of public notes or public admin discourse or public talking tos would only be effective at pushing admin discourse elsewhere. There's no good reason people should see the sausage getting made. Sometimes we have to make tough calls or debate. The fact we can do so in privacy means that admins can be far more honest. Public stuff would turn everything into a miserable PR exercise. We are not a paid team, our patreon couldn't pay for a part timer, please understand there is value in letting us act quickly and smoothly rather than spend all day long in PR mode.
For transparency, this account was banned because it's being used to evade a previous ban and that previous ban was applied because they used it to peanut post on another feedback thread. We do not ban people for feedback threads, but we also do not have to sit around while anonymous alts pick fights. It just is not worth our volunteer time.
And no, this is not a public thread I have already spent far too much of my life discussing the reasoning I pushed for public ban appeals. I did it as a service to people who rightfully did not want to be judged by their peers. There's no conspiracy to it.
The practice of public ban appeals hurt members who would be concerned about their public image. There are lots of things we will accept appeals for but people do not want to appeal because they are worried about how others will view them. You might argue these people did not deserve a ban in the first case if they can appeal but we can only warn people for the same thing so many times before we have to push harder to let the rules sink in.
The opposite end of the appealers is the absolute shameless people. The sort that would attract a lot of eyes and peanuts and people would talk about. Maybe admins would appear to dunk on them. It wasn't ever valuable that anyone saw it.
People are permitted to discuss their ban on Discord until an admin asks them to stop. There's a reason for that: It makes people uncomfortable to see bans hashed out in public. Personally, I don't mind people declaring they've been banned. I just ask them to stop after their declaration turns into the sort of whining that cuts into the enjoyment of people using our discord to talk about the game.
A system of public notes or public admin discourse or public talking tos would only be effective at pushing admin discourse elsewhere. There's no good reason people should see the sausage getting made. Sometimes we have to make tough calls or debate. The fact we can do so in privacy means that admins can be far more honest. Public stuff would turn everything into a miserable PR exercise. We are not a paid team, our patreon couldn't pay for a part timer, please understand there is value in letting us act quickly and smoothly rather than spend all day long in PR mode.
For transparency, this account was banned because it's being used to evade a previous ban and that previous ban was applied because they used it to peanut post on another feedback thread. We do not ban people for feedback threads, but we also do not have to sit around while anonymous alts pick fights. It just is not worth our volunteer time.
And no, this is not a public thread I have already spent far too much of my life discussing the reasoning I pushed for public ban appeals. I did it as a service to people who rightfully did not want to be judged by their peers. There's no conspiracy to it.