Complaint zamujasa 28/2 goon 1 (stop being awful)

[Zamujasa]

hoo lordy that's a lot of words

for any other admins that care to look into this round:

main1 / 2022-02-28-11-32.html

" yesterday, alone, there were 3 gang rounds that i noticed, and all three had similar events like this. one had a teleport-graviton-crusher trap; one had a ttv detonate on the shuttle; **one had a teletrap-graviton-brute trap, that is, yours**. none of these were part of gang gameplay; they were gang members using their antag status to be a hardmode traitor."

So the ban I got today is for a round you saw yesterday where I built a grav brute trap? I think that actually happened today in the exact round we are talking about. i thnik you are possibly confusing me for some other person if you think I was involved in a grav trap yesterday. I think I did make one yesterday as a non antag but it was voluntary only with clear labelling and out of the way as I have been told to do previously by admins.

you misunderstood me.

- there was a gang round earlier in the day where a teleport-graviton-to-crusher trap was made. it killed many crew.
- there was a gang round earlier in the day where a ttv (or otherwise 192-power bomb) went off on the emergency shuttle before it left.
- there was a gang round where a teleport-graviton-throw-OHKO was built that killed many crew. this was yours.

but i want to make another point here:
- the ban was not for making a dumb trap. that was what the text was for.
- the ban was when i noticed that, included in the victims of your trap, was your own gang members.

if i was going to ban you for a dumb trap, i would have done it earlier, or at the very least not sat there and watched for a while. the reason you had a delay before you got booted was because i hadn't realized it was going to be a ban yet.

Anyway lets just take a step back - ignore all the stuff about gangs and traps and whatnot as thats irrelevent to the way you behaved.

but it is not. the way you behaved in a gang round, by making a trap, directly led to the public shaming, as well as your eventual ban. you cannot just go "ignoring the reason this happened,". you might as well go "ignoring that the earth is in fact round,"

If that was what the issue we would be having this discussion in the ban forum - this is the admin feedback forum. This is nothing to do with gangs, traps or anything like that and specifically about how you chose to act. I thought I was pretty clear about that in my post - but apparently that was not understood as other issues with gang rounds I was nothing to do with were bought up as a justification.

the feedback is still relevant to the event. both a theoretical ban appeal and this thread are about the same incident; you are just making your case that i behaved inappropriately here rather than in a ban appeal alleging it was an invalid/improper ban.

**I want someone impartial on the admin team to check out whether this statement: "you mixed up two events." is remotely truthful because I do not believe it at all.**

I very much remember seeing word lame in the text you added. This is further corroborated by the timing of my response - in my text file of that rounds chat the line where you said 'lame' was 1290. The bit where I said these comments:
Keegan Owens says, "i mean sure"
Keegan Owens says, "call my stuff lame"
is around line 1862.
Admittedly it copied a fair bit of whitespace but nowhere near enough to account for nearly 600 lines of action between your comment and my supposed response to it. Suggesting my comments were directly in response to something that happened 600 lines before is not at all reasonable. Its just not true.

here is a screenshot from our log viewer. you can ask any admin to verify this for you (note the time/date at the start of this post and unmark all but "admin").

you can feel whatever you want, but that does not make it into the truth.

Quite frankly my own memory and copy of the rounds text suggests that you are either completely wrong or outright lying.

i have explained my reasoning for what i did and why i believe it was appropriate.